What do we want in RE?

[hamolton]

Some video game artist at http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/p ... rtist_ama/ is willing to help out with RE. What do we want?
"Small graphical suggestions" thread: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2674

[inpersona64]

I'm not sure what I want to see but I know in a thread a while back, we were all thinking about a new weapon(s) for Red Eclipse. And so I'm going to upload a video tomorrow talking about what weapons we already have and what there is to add. Because most of the weapons already cover all the possibilities of "attack" in RE. Anyway, that's what I want to see, new weapon ideas.

[Vaecrius]

New shotgun model.

[arand]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2244 is quite relevant

[fawstoar]

ASIDE from weapon models & animation, which RE needs desperately, I would be interested in the possibility of smaller graphical tweaks like depth of field and some better lighting. Could really make the game look better, IMO.

If anyone's played the latest Deus Ex, RE could definitely take some design cues from that game, which uses some really strong filters and lighting effects to hide the low-resolution textures and less visually appealing parts of the game's environments.

To see how this could benefit RE, compare Delicatessen or Linear - which both feature some of the aforementioned qualities - to Forge or Echo, which are somewhat lackluster. DoF or other effects could make RE's maps much more contemporary.

[Vaecrius]

...except that I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks Forge and Echo are two of the better-looking maps and Linear is one of the worse.

[fawstoar]

Forge looks pretty good, maybe facility is a better example. Linear looks pretty good with the settings turned up, certainly better than echo. But I'm trying to analyze the quality of lighting and filters on these maps, not necessarily their architecture. Linear looks decent pretty much just because of its shineys, something that echo could seriously benefit from - it's currently really bland and lifeless.

[inpersona64]

See, but this is where you have to remember, a majority of us downloaded Red Eclipse because (1 we don't have PCs that can produce heavy 3D graphics and complex textures and (2 Red Eclipse runs well on low resources and isn't demanding. Increasing dynamic settings in game could mean lower fps for those who can hardly play as it is. I think as far as performance goes, Red Eclipse is on point, visually. Regarding the maps, I really only like Echo because it's a great small DM map for anything between FFAs to 4v4s. It's also very appealing to me, but of course that's just a personal taste.

[Vaecrius]

I beg to differ - Echo actually looks and feels something like a real (if somewhat arbitrarily designed) place.

Seconding inpersona64 in any event. Me, I can run everything at max just fine now* but about five months ago I kept feeling like the FPS world was just passing me by. D: Accessibility is important esp. for a f/Free game.

*My opinion of Linear is based on this

[GooshGoosh!]

ASIDE from weapon models & animation, which RE needs desperately, I would be interested in the possibility of smaller graphical tweaks like depth of field and some better lighting. Could really make the game look better, IMO.

If anyone's played the latest Deus Ex, RE could definitely take some design cues from that game, which uses some really strong filters and lighting effects to hide the low-resolution textures and less visually appealing parts of the game's environments.

To see how this could benefit RE, compare Delicatessen or Linear - which both feature some of the aforementioned qualities - to Forge or Echo, which are somewhat lackluster. DoF or other effects could make RE's maps much more contemporary.

I agree with you.
I made a list for some graphical improvement that RE can use for better eye appeal:
Doom3 shaders (id Tech 4 shaders, they good for metallic materials)
Shadow Volumes (Like in Doom3)
Per-Pixel Motion Blur (like in Crysis)
HDR
DoF (Depth of Field)
and SSAO (Space-Screen Ambient Occlusion, not really necessary)
Bullet Physics Engine (Not a graphical improvement, but can be used for destructible environments)

Of course all these options require a lot of work, but I hope that will be possible for RE!

P.S.:
id Tech 4 is open-source now, so it is possible to "grab" the shaders and lighting calculation and "add" them to Cube 2 Engine?

[Vaecrius]

As someone whose computer can easily run all that without a hitch, I would rather that we didn't have all that gimmicky crap (besides destructible environments!) before we had a good reason to include it - a game never, ever looks better with better tech but not better art.

Some of the stuff here (e.g., rim-lighting) is useful now because it is directly connected to gameplay, but HDR and motion blur are not only useless but hurt the fast, dance-and-duel fighting style of RE gameplay - make opponents too hard to see and your instagib matches turn into a "realistic" cat-and-mouse.

[GooshGoosh!]

My PC can run all that "gimmicky crap".

[Ulukai]

I don't think it would hurt to include better graphics like shadow volumes and the like, it could be an option that players with lower hardware can disable. However, Cube 2 engine is a 1 or 2 man project and this would ask a lot of work. RE graphics are quite pretty and fun to look at atm with all options turned on imo, so it might be beneficial but not necessary.

[hulk]

Better Weapon ANIMATIONS...

[hamolton]

He says to contact him at https://twitter.com/#!/Stabberthomas
Did quin get that?

[012yArthur0]

1. Better Weapons visual. The pistol just outclasses the shotgun
2. A more balanced weapon system
3. Fix the kicks
4. Add the Super Jump again?
5. Fix the bugs/glitches. (Aside of qweer locking my topic, today I just witnessed my opponents being invisible)
6. Video Recording Command
7. Maybe a "Lite" version for people that has bad PC.

[TheLastProject]

1. Better Weapons visual. The pistol just outclasses the shotgun

Agreed.

2. A more balanced weapon system

What's unbalanced about the current one?

3. Fix the kicks

They're not broken, you need to dash before kicking to prevent holding Q from getting you random kicks

4. Add the Super Jump again?

Meh, don't think it's that interesting.

5. Fix the bugs/glitches. (Aside of qweer locking my topic, today I just witnessed my opponents being invisible)

If it's not in the bugtracker it's not a bug.

6. Video Recording Command

/movie already exists

7. Maybe a "Lite" version for people that has bad PC.

That's called "putting all settings on lowest".

[Ulukai]

And don't forget: when you launch the game for the first time, it auto-detects the best settings. Bad PC equals low settings.

[TheLastProject]

And don't forget: when you launch the game for the first time, it auto-detects the best settings. Bad PC equals low settings.

It does?

[012yArthur0]

Nope. I had to fix the settings manually.

[Ulukai]

And don't forget: when you launch the game for the first time, it auto-detects the best settings. Bad PC equals low settings.

It does?

Hmm... I thought I had read this somewhere but have a hard time finding it. I'll probably be mistaken, but when I launched the game for the first time on my game PC and on my laptop with crappy intel GFX the settings were different I think. It may partly be because the hardware capabilities but imo sometimes the red or orange options were not enabled by default however I could choose them if I wanted to.

[qreeves]

Certain settings which aren't supported by your hardware are turned off, but it makes no attempt to "tune" other settings to your hardware requirements. Other than this, the only other thing the engine grabs is your desktop resolution in an effort to determine a sane starting resolution on first boot.

[TheLastProject]

Certain settings which aren't supported by your hardware are turned off, but it makes no attempt to "tune" other settings to your hardware requirements. Other than this, the only other thing the engine grabs is your desktop resolution in an effort to determine a sane starting resolution on first boot.

Good to know. Thanks for the info quin.

[GooshGoosh!]

As someone whose computer can easily run all that without a hitch, I would rather that we didn't have all that gimmicky crap (besides destructible environments!) before we had a good reason to include it - a game never, ever looks better with better tech but not better art.

Some of the stuff here (e.g., rim-lighting) is useful now because it is directly connected to gameplay, but HDR and motion blur are not only useless but hurt the fast, dance-and-duel fighting style of RE gameplay - make opponents too hard to see and your instagib matches turn into a "realistic" cat-and-mouse.

At least you liked the destructible environments idea, but for that, we need rim shadows, the rest isn't mandatory.