Please help me with an editing problem

[Dratz-_C]

Hi folks,
What is this anomaly or feature and how do prevent it from occuring in the editor? It follows my cursor and ignores my selection such that I can manipulate my selection with the mouse wheel without any adverse effects from the anomaly apart from the visual impairment. It first appears against my wishes when I save a map, comes back when I reload it from memory and I can only get rid of it by restarting Red Eclipse. I am using Windows XP SP3 32-bit and game version 1.3.1. Thanks for your help.

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Cheers

[ballist1c]

You don't know your editmode
Haha, that's the edit helper thingy or whatever it's called. I forget what it was originally for, but I have practiced so much that I don't use it very often.

To turn it off, press the Tab key

[Karoushi]

When in doubt, button mash.

[ballist1c]

When in doubt, button mash.

word.

[raiden]

My whole computer(win 7 prof. 64 bit) freezes regularly while editing cutec since RE version 1.31. I can do some steps as usual, but after a different number of minutes (~10-15) I need to restart, because of a freeze of the whole system. I have that only in edit mode, haven't test it on other maps until now. This is new for me. Could it be possible to instal 1.2RE parallel to the new Version? I fear a conflict between the userdata files, which RE creates while installing. Maybe I should backup the folder with user datas for RE...

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Ok, I tested RE 1.2 now and get the same results. So it must be the map itself or my computer. Too bad .

[eihrul]

My whole computer(win 7 prof. 64 bit) freezes regularly while editing cutec since RE version 1.31. I can do some steps as usual, but after a different number of minutes (~10-15) I need to restart, because of a freeze of the whole system. I have that only in edit mode, haven't test it on other maps until now. This is new for me. Could it be possible to instal 1.2RE parallel to the new Version? I fear a conflict between the userdata files, which RE creates while installing. Maybe I should backup the folder with user datas for RE...

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Ok, I tested RE 1.2 now and get the same results. So it must be the map itself or my computer. Too bad .

Try forcing GLSL to on or off with /forceglsl 0 or /forceglsl 1 and see if either one helps one way or the other.

Also try replacing the zlib1.dll in the bin64/ directory inside Red Eclipse with this one:
http://redeclipse.svn.sourceforge.net/v ... ision=4137

[raiden]

Sadly the problem still holds on. I tried all of your tips in combination with each other. Nevertheless thank you very much eihrul for trying to help. If this disturbs me too much, I'll reinstall the whole windows platform, to see if the issue still exists. Maybe my OS has a damage, the issue isn't the one that you expected, or anything else.
I can report back during the next days with hopefully positive results.

[raiden]

@eihrul: ok, I can except a fault by windows now. I have still the same issue, after reinstalling the whole system. I was trying to reduce the octreenodes on cutec (more than 10 mio. very much indeed). But the map can't it be, because I can play on it without problems. However, if you have new ideas I would be glad to hear from you.

@Dratz: have you ever noticed a problem on cutec with RE 1.3.1, as I described here before? If no (or yes also), which operating system do you use?

greetings

[Dratz-_C]

raiden,
I use Windows XP Service Pack 3 but while I do have a few more crashes with the Galactic Edition in the editor and a couple more in actual game I have traced most of them, the ones that are reproducable, to trying to use 2 threads for my single-core, hyperthreaded 1.6 gigahertz pentium 4 architecture CPU for calculating lightmaps. While this approach used to work in the Cosmic Edition, it does not in the Galactic Edition where it crashes every time. All I have had to do is use 1 thread for the lightmaps and it works with no problems. I don't know if this anomaly affects double-threaded generation of potential visibility sets on a hyperthreaded processor. I may have to verify that scenario. I don't know if this advice will help you or anyone else but I thought I would type it out. I haven't tested it on Cutec.
Also Ballist1c,
I would like to thank you for the quick solution. I had pressed most of the key's trying to get the paste helper to go away but hadn't tried tab, which worked like a charm.
Cheers

[Karoushi]

Hyperthreading is essentially a virtual core, but it doesn't input/output more then it can handle, especially on a 1.6GHz P4...

Shouldn't be surprised you can only use one thread, might want to think about upgrading your hardware- you can get a 3.2GHz Pentium 4 for cheap now'a'days.

@ raiden - You need a better PC, simple as that. If you want I can take a look at your map and see what the deal is, I have 3.2GHz Phenom II 955 BE with 8gb of ram and 1gb on the gfx card.

It could also be the map though, Nivell was crashing my RE making it a pain to edit (I had to basically backup the map file every time I managed to save or I'd lose something). It was something within the map that was making it crash and I think it was the fact that someone added Skybox inside of a building and I added skybox on the outside of the map. Once I cleaned the map up it started saving perfectly fine.

So you might want to check over your map or have someone with a beefier PC try and see if it gives them problems.

[raiden]

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It could also be the map though, Nivell was crashing my RE making it a pain to edit (I had to basically backup the map file every time I managed to save or I'd lose something). It was something within the map that was making it crash and I think it was the fact that someone added Skybox inside of a building and I added skybox on the outside of the map. Once I cleaned the map up it started saving perfectly fine.

So you might want to check over your map or have someone with a beefier PC try and see if it gives them problems.

Hi, yeah everyone can take a look on the map: cutec work in progress. I had to make many backup saves too, but this way I can only make tiny steps, which takes too long. The lights aren't calculated complete here - only for a preview, because of the crashes.
I use an AMD Athlon 64 x2 dual core (2x 2,2 GHz) with 2GB's of RAM, on win 7 Ultimate, as mentioned before. My graphic card is called Nvidia Geforce 9600 GT.
If you could find a corruption on the map you could correct this and send the file back. Although it would be strange, because I never had this trouble before and didn't changed groundbreaking things yet. To the contrary, I try to simplify everything to need less hardwere in the future.

Thanks Dratz for explaining. Your kind of editing sounds hard. Similar to my new experience .

greets

[Karoushi]

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It could also be the map though, Nivell was crashing my RE making it a pain to edit (I had to basically backup the map file every time I managed to save or I'd lose something). It was something within the map that was making it crash and I think it was the fact that someone added Skybox inside of a building and I added skybox on the outside of the map. Once I cleaned the map up it started saving perfectly fine.

So you might want to check over your map or have someone with a beefier PC try and see if it gives them problems.

Hi, yeah everyone can take a look on the map: cutec work in progress. I had to make many backup saves too, but this way I can only make tiny steps, which takes too long. The lights aren't calculated complete here - only for a preview, because of the crashes.
I use an AMD Athlon 64 x2 dual core (2x 2,2 GHz) with 2GB's of RAM, on win 7 Ultimate, as mentioned before. My graphic card is called Nvidia Geforce 9600 GT.
If you could find a corruption on the map you could correct this and send the file back. Although it would be strange, because I never had this trouble before and didn't changed groundbreaking things yet. To the contrary, I try to simplify everything to need less hardwere in the future.

Thanks Dratz for explaining. Your kind of editing sounds hard. Similar to my new experience .

greets

Yeah I have to say that 2.2ghz and 2gb of ram is really low, the graphics card probably isn't the issue.

[raiden]

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So you might want to check over your map or have someone with a beefier PC try and see if it gives them problems.

Maybe you could do so Karoushi? I have some problems with my pc at the moment. Have to update everything and you know cutec crashes while editing for me at the moment. I would be glad to see your results .

[Karoushi]

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So you might want to check over your map or have someone with a beefier PC try and see if it gives them problems.

Maybe you could do so Karoushi? I have some problems with my pc at the moment. Have to update everything and you know cutec crashes while editing for me at the moment. I would be glad to see your results .

Sure I'll take a gander at it, might as well.

A lot of the crashes you are experiencing are probably from having old hardware but a new OS.

2GB of ram is the bare minimum for Win7 to even run, so you might want to think about getting some better hardware.

I'll download this map and take a look and see what I find, hopefully I can help you out on it.


Alright I am looking at it in the editor and I would say that the crashes you get are probably just your PC hardware. Looking at all the objects from a distance in the map it brings my rig down to 30-40 FPS from 100-200. It is a fairly advanced looking map and there are lots of effects. I went ahead and remipped it right after opening it and that merged some surfaces, fixed some t-joints, etc - But when I calculated the full light map it had to remip again and this took awhile, see the below edit for new information.So In conclusion I believe that there isn't a problem with the map itself (unless it is the advanced geometry and all the effects) I think that it is your hardware that isn't capable because it doesn't have enough bandwidth both on the graphics side and the processing side, so it crashes. Since you probably don't have 4gb+ of video memory and only 2gb of ram, your rig can't handle all of the data and therefor crashes everytime you edit it. I haven't tried editing anything but it hasn't crashed for me, if you could give me an example of something you would edit that would make you crash I can try to reproduce it, but my deduction/belief at this point is that your PC simply can't handle all of this data and crashes out of the application due to reaching it's overhead limit (application can't access more ram, therefor quits due to a fault).

My suggestions, other then immediately upgrading your hardware, would be to try applications that increase the overhead of the exe: Large Aware Address.exe can patch 32bit exe's to accept more then 2gb of ram/page file, it is made by Ford "GT90Concept" Glasser. I can provide a download link if you need but since you don't have more then 2gb of ram it might just make it crash more.

Here is your map back with the remip and full calc lighting (will upload in a minute).

Hold on a second I just took a look at your material volumes and I noticed that your clip is really thin and your death material is really thick.
Having an incredibly thin skybox or clipbox around the map was what was crashing Nivellensem for me, so let me remove the thin material and add back the vanilla material and see if that fixes your problem - Will upload in a few minutes.


EDIT: Okay, I have re-done the clip box and the death material at the bottom so you might want to check on all of the materials within the buildings I fixed some of the death material around the flaming objects in the buildings but didn't see anything else.

I am assuming the Clipbox around the map was the issue, as when I first loaded the map it was at 20.7 sec save times, after I redid the clipbox and the death material (then fixing all the little things I did in the process) the save is now at:

5.5sec

And I have lowered the map file size from a huge 5,019kb (way too big for multiplayer, it would take people several minutes to download while joining a server so they'd have to download from the forums first.)

To an Awesome 3,288kb! Much better but still fairly large for online play, it would take people awhile to download while joining a server.

Try this file out:

[raiden]

Ok, I think I could find the reason for my computer problems now. It's a usual hardware issue. The active cooler break away from the passive cooler of my processor. So simple, no wonder, why everything freezes after a while. *argh* .
I fixed it now and hopefully will be back.

[Karoushi]

Ok, I think I could find the reason for my computer problems now. It's a usual hardware issue. The active cooler break away from the passive cooler of my processor. So simple, no wonder, why everything freezes after a while. *argh* .
I fixed it now and hopefully will be back.

Cool, I figured it was a hardware issue too but I am glad I could optimize your map for you.

Hopefully it works a lot better/smoother when you get back to it.

[Dratz-_C]

raiden,
It's good to have you back now that you have repaired your processor fan. I wish you well in your renewed work on Cutec. I am close to leaving on my vacation.
Cheers