URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 11 Jun 2018, 21:06

If you live in the EU, there is VERY soon (20 June 2018) a vote in the EU Parliament going on about a new EU Copyright Directive.
It might have huge implications and has some really nasty articles in it.

Other people can explain far better than me what is currently going on in the EU.
Please spread the word!

Media:
https://boingboing.net/2018/06/07/thanks-axel-voss.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44412025
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/06/e ... -wikipedia

ComputingForever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvXOfq3AB8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwR34cT1grw

Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive ... gle_Market

Original proposal text (direct attention towards articles 11 and 13):
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 93&from=EN
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 12 Jun 2018, 09:22

Well, I guess the world is doomed. Welcome to infinite copyright with Orwellian practices defending it.

Stallman was so right.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby O01eg » 12 Jun 2018, 16:09

Good thing is EU will be destroyed by barbarians it's importing.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 12 Jun 2018, 16:54

Doom, gloom and Russian trolling ;) Please keep it civil or this thread will get locked very quickly :p

My personal take on it... typical EU lobby driven drafts. They always try to pull that s*** and hope some of it will somehow make it into national law. It's right to be concerned, but no reason for doom and gloom. Same story as always...
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 12 Jun 2018, 17:49

Julius {l Wrote}:It's right to be concerned, but no reason for doom and gloom. Same story as always...


You do understand that 99.9% of all of humanity creations are proprietary and will stay proprietary until the death of humanity? How are you supposed to create, to teach and to learn in this world?
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 13 Jun 2018, 02:18

Nothing is stopping you to create something new.

The reality is also that approx. 75% of the world's population doesn't care much about (our) copyright and we in the so called west are just making ourselves obsolete with stupid rules like the above. This is not doom and gloom by the way... I see that as the natural progression of civilization and contrary to 001eg I think we can only benefit from getting a reality check by the "barbarians".
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 13 Jun 2018, 15:32

Julis, you are downplaying this a lot. For those who live in the EU, this matters a lot.
Instead of downplaying, post facts. So far you only gave opinion.

Over 169 copyright scholars and professors (!) wrote an open letter opposing this legislation. Yes, it's that bad.
https://nexa.polito.it/academics-agains ... ignatories

The academic community is virtually unanimous in its opposition to the European Commission’s proposal for a press publishers right. We commend to you the previous critical interventions from Bently et al, Danbury, the European Copyright Society, Geiger et al, the Max Planck Institute, Peukert, van Eechoud, and the Study conducted by Bently, Kretschmer et al for the JURI Committee in September 2017.


It has been suggested that the right will prevent the re-use of snippets from, and hyperlinks to, publicly available websites. If these claims turn out to be true, the new right will also harm freedom of expression and freedom of art, and impede innovation.


Also, there's now a podcast about this topic:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180 ... osal.shtml
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 14 Jun 2018, 13:55

Julius {l Wrote}:Nothing is stopping you to create something new.


You do understand that 99.99999% of all creations are derivative?
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 15 Jun 2018, 02:19

Sure, I understand that theoretically we are all standing on the shoulders of giants and that thus copyright is mostly just a silly idea, but in practical terms there is plenty of room to create new works. This is because the theoretical derivativeness of a work can be so "dilluted" and obscured that any copyright claim is unenforcable. And contrary to the intuition that indefinite copyright would make this more and more difficult, I am pretty sure the opposite will be the case with copyright sort of suffucating on itself with more and more theoretical claims becoming unenforcable and thus void.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 15 Jun 2018, 03:42

We are just lucky that there is still escape hatch such as GNU/Linux, GCC, a few IDEs and build tools. If people give up maintaining them, there will be no way to maintain minimal freedom.
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