Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby eugeneloza » 04 Jun 2018, 20:12

Vampires attacking in the night,
Dragons breathing fire from the sky,
Microsoft buying GitHub...
It's the end of the world, I tell ya... :cry:
https://news.microsoft.com/2018/06/04/m ... 5-billion/

https://about.gitlab.com/2018/06/03/movingtogitlab/
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby SecureUvula » 04 Jun 2018, 21:25

Now playing on all tech forums:

"Microsoft has changed!" "Microsoft has not changed!"
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby themightyglider » 05 Jun 2018, 01:00

Some people panic now and move their projects to gitlab. Seems like this company driven and centralised service is less evil. ;)
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby Julius » 05 Jun 2018, 01:50

Maybe time to revive the idea of a FGD gitea installation... but first they need to implement some easy way to limit storage use per user :(
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby Lyberta » 05 Jun 2018, 09:51

GitHub got F rating from FSF for a reason. It was never acceptable for free software projects. I hope now GitHub dies its well-deserved death.
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby themightyglider » 05 Jun 2018, 13:52

What we really need would be a federated code hosting platform. Everybody could run a own instance or join one he/she can trust in but interact with projects that are hosted on other instances without need for an extra account there. All tools we would need to build something like this are already there. Git is made for distributed code management and the rest could be done with ActivityPub.
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby Julius » 05 Jun 2018, 15:30

Yeah maybe Phabricator could be integrated into Nextcloud or Hubzilla somehow.
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby Lyberta » 05 Jun 2018, 23:48

themightyglider {l Wrote}:What we really need would be a federated code hosting platform. Everybody could run a own instance or join one he/she can trust in but interact with projects that are hosted on other instances without need for an extra account there. All tools we would need to build something like this are already there. Git is made for distributed code management and the rest could be done with ActivityPub.


Self-hosted GitLab + OAuth? I managed to login to Kitware self-hosted GitLab with my GitHub account.
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby c_xong » 06 Jun 2018, 07:22

This doesn't really change much. People who really cared would have moved to services like GitLab long ago. Some are worried about Microsoft stealing their code but for FOSS the code is public anyway.
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby ferreiradaselva » 06 Jun 2018, 13:21

I'm not moving away form github (for now). Instead I'm uploading my projects to multiple services (Github, GitLab, BitBucket). GitLab is the current best alternative, but despite many people saying it's superior to GitHub, it's aspects regarding users interactions, like following other users and starring projects, is inferior or lacking. These are essential if you want to build a community (people that uses your project or contribute to it). There's an open issue about that: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce ... e_78295226

I hope this is something that gets upgraded on Gitlab.

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"Microsoft has changed!" "Microsoft has not changed!"


Honestly, the people I see (on Twitter) that believes Microsoft has changed has a participation too small in the FOSS (or even in the OSS). Or even 0 participation.

These are not events from 10 years ago:
https://github.com/Microsoft/GVFS/issues/7
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne ... -standards

The whole "but it's a new CEO" is quite an weak argument. If the person wanted to make some good, choosing such company, with such history, is an odd choice, eh?
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby SecureUvula » 06 Jun 2018, 17:22

ferreiradaselva {l Wrote}:Honestly, the people I see (on Twitter) that believes Microsoft has changed has a participation too small in the FOSS (or even in the OSS). Or even 0 participation.


"Somewhere along the line it seems, that pimp became cool, and punk mainstream."

FOSS (by population count) became mainstream in the last 10 years by giving up on copyleft, and many people got on-board with this corporate-friendly version of FOSS.

Microsoft will never share my ideals, their ideal is to make money and mine is to make libre software that stays libre.

The fact that permissive-licensed code helps both me and MS doesn't make MS my friend. It just means FOSS code is becoming a commodity, as cheap and replaceable as an individual transistor.
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby leilei » 09 Jun 2018, 10:37

eh, i'm not in a panic.

Apple axing OpenGL for good in OS X though...... that would be an actual cause for concern especially when there's barely any usable metal-compatible backends with very legally permissive licenses
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby Wuzzy » 11 Jun 2018, 21:04

What we really need would be a federated code hosting platform.

You mean, something like a git server? Lol. :)
Naked git is already that.

TBH, I was quite surprised that MS bought GitHub, I totally did not see that coming.

Yes, GitHub was never acceptable, main reason being all the proprietary JavaScript which just adds bloat anyway. It's a sad irony that THE biggest hoster of free and open source software, was not . And the majority of people just accepted it at given. And almost nobody really spoke out against GitHub. This was a mistake. Maybe a campaign should have been started, like “#FreeGitHub” with an argument somewhere along the sides of “GitHub is hosting a lot of free and open source software, so it just seems fair it's released as free software as well”. :) Well, now it's obviously too late for that. :(
Maybe the fact that MS bought GitHub is actually good, because people now start to run away. :D

Anyway, I generally do not like the general idea of those hugely complicated web services which try to implement everything and the kitchen sink. I am a huge fan of the KISS (Keep It Simple and Stupid) philosophy and I am generally sceptical of websites dominated with JavaScript (even if it's free software).

Anyway, I have never opened any code repository on GitHub in the first place. I used repo.or.cz for almost everything because it's just git, nothing else, no bullshit. But I did open a bugtracker out of laziness. Shame on me. It's now read-only, currently looking for alternatives.

GitLab is frequently cited as drop-in-replacement. I thought that too, they currently receive a C grade by the GNU criteria. But this is outdated. You have to get past a reCAPTCHA to register. That would drop them to F, very sad.
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby mdtrooper » 12 Jun 2018, 08:52

Do you know alternatives as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterPlan ... ile_System ?

It sounds some weird but too it sounds awesome.

There is a project with a mix a etherum + git + ipfs: https://medium.com/@alexberegszaszi/man ... ef8bcbcfe6

But my first worry is this kind of technologies are a long and hard step for newbies, isn't it?

There is a Enerst Rutherford quote that says "An alleged scientific discovery has no merit unless it can be explained to a barmaid."
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby O01eg » 12 Jun 2018, 15:50

themightyglider {l Wrote}:What we really need would be a federated code hosting platform. Everybody could run a own instance or join one he/she can trust in but interact with projects that are hosted on other instances without need for an extra account there. All tools we would need to build something like this are already there. Git is made for distributed code management and the rest could be done with ActivityPub.


Some people already work on it: https://github.com/git-federation/gitpub/
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby gouessej » 18 Jun 2018, 09:34

Hey

I agree with some people here, Github wasn't an acceptable solution anyway, Bitbucket is based on proprietary software, Gitlab is centralized. Maybe give framagit a try (based on Gitlab CE but managed by an association) or think about self hosting (the solution I prefer).

By the way, I've almost removed all my few projects from Github :)
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby DwightGray » 06 Sep 2018, 12:05

gouessej {l Wrote}:Hey

I agree with some people here, Github wasn't an acceptable solution anyway, Bitbucket is based on proprietary software, Gitlab is centralized. Maybe give framagit a try (based on Gitlab CE but managed by an association) or think about self hosting (the solution I prefer).

By the way, I've almost removed all my few projects from Github :)


I loved Github when there were almost no alternatives to it, but now with the Microsoft ownership, I guess, I would also have to remove all of my projects from it.
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Re: Microsoft buys GitHub?!

Postby sarah.collins » 07 Sep 2018, 12:50

I don't get the reason for anyone to be sceptical, yeah they might do this they might do that, but from the perspective of Godot, there will likely never be a major change.
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