Wuzzy {l Wrote}: Thankfully, Google Stadia looks like a big failure a complete failure. I hope it's not only because Google did a complete screw-up but also be.
Lyberta {l Wrote}:You pay to be abused by EULA while Capitalism gaslights you that YOU should be grateful for all the great things you get for your money.
Jastiv {l Wrote}:I'm hoping I can apply some of his insights to the ongoing battle against proprietary software.
Wuzzy {l Wrote}:I still think it was a terrible mistake to attack RMS over some comments.
I'm also a little shocked by how little information I actually find about the exact backstory behind the resignation, the official statements are all quite nebulous
Anyway, the movement will obviously still live on, it doesn't need a leader.
1. The FSF isn’t just threatened, it will hit a large iceberg in the future that changes it permanently.
But yeah, I think the FSF website isn't all that great. For complete newbies, I think it's a hard topic to understand. Most people hardly really understand software, let alone free software …
What is needed is some website that gets to the point fast, so that everyone could understand it. I think all free-software-related websites do a quite bad job at this.
What I'm also missing is a documention of known abuses by proprietary software and their owners (and how you could defend yourselves).
Not for me, of course, for others that don't know them yet. :) And not just theoretical abuses, real-world abuses that most users can actually identify with in their daily lives.
All with hard, cold evidence that you could easily check for yourselves. Like copy restrictions, your receiver's refusal to fast-forward, that most of your “smart” device's features are locked down, all that stuff.
I think this is very important because we can talk about ethics all day long, but to most people it will sound all very abstract and theoretical, thus difficult to understand and people will conclude that that's not really a problem since it all sounds so theoretical.
Personally, I'm generally no fan of organizations. I just don't like bureaocracy. But that's just me.
Psychological harm by proprietary software … tbh, that's something that has not even crossed my mind. And probably not FSF's as well. Tell me more about it. If you want.
Lyberta {l Wrote}:This site has a lot of info on that: https://fsfellowship.eu/
Lyberta {l Wrote}:Yes, for me I have put FSF, FSFE and Debian on the list of organization not to be trusted.
Evropi {l Wrote}:On the other hand, the GNU's (and more specifically, RMS's) continued involvement in Emacs is probably the thing that has stalled its progress the most in the last 10 years.
Lyberta {l Wrote}:Relying on government - your biggest enemy - to protect you is foolish. GPL and other licenses rely on lawyers and governments so they are doomed from the start.
freemedia2018 {l Wrote}:Evropi {l Wrote}:On the other hand, the GNU's (and more specifically, RMS's) continued involvement in Emacs is probably the thing that has stalled its progress the most in the last 10 years.
I'm well aware of the coup against both Stallman and the FSF, which is why I'm willing to speak in strong words about the latter. The FSF today is not the "real" FSF. But people who don't know what I mean by that will simply think I'm a zealot, or sentimental. I'm simply saying they have abandoned what they stand for-- they give only lip service.
With that said, I'm interested in what ways Stallman has hurt the progress of Emacs. It's true that I'm sceptical-- he created Emacs. What's so great that he's preventing?
But I don't care about Emacs, I care about the coup. Since I still think of wrenching of Emacs out of its creator's hands (it can be forked, but obviously nobody wants that-- they want to control the main version I guess) is more of an effect than a cause, I have yet to grow sentimental about it.
If I were going to create a text editor I would probably use Javascript, despite not liking Javascript very much. I would rather do that than lean on Emacs. So tell me before I even care, satisfy my curiosity-- I can promise you I'm as curious as I say I am. What aspect(s) of Emacs does Stallman hurt, really? And please don't lock this thread, anybody. I really do want to know. Emacs isn't something I'm prepared to argue about. But I have to ask.
Evropi {l Wrote}:I could rant for a while but I'll stop as I don't want this to be a character assassination.
Lyberta {l Wrote}:Relying on government - your biggest enemy - to protect you is foolish. GPL and other licenses rely on lawyers and governments so they are doomed from the start.
I think I will simply refuse to specify the license of my works so for people who respect copyright this will be "all rights reserved" and honestly they can go screw themselves. We don't need copyright, lawyers and governments where we're going.
Lyberta {l Wrote}:If you start collaborating, next thing you know you take a bribe ("donation") from Google and your entire organization and several others are ideologically destroyed.
freemedia2018 {l Wrote}:Lyberta {l Wrote}:Silly (stupid) Vox, unbelievable. There's just no democracy like a global government, eh?
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