URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 11 Jun 2018, 21:06

If you live in the EU, there is VERY soon (20 June 2018) a vote in the EU Parliament going on about a new EU Copyright Directive.
It might have huge implications and has some really nasty articles in it.

Other people can explain far better than me what is currently going on in the EU.
Please spread the word!

Media:
https://boingboing.net/2018/06/07/thanks-axel-voss.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44412025
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/06/e ... -wikipedia

ComputingForever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvXOfq3AB8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwR34cT1grw

Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive ... gle_Market

Original proposal text (direct attention towards articles 11 and 13):
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 93&from=EN
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby O01eg » 12 Jun 2018, 16:09

Good thing is EU will be destroyed by barbarians it's importing.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 12 Jun 2018, 16:54

Doom, gloom and Russian trolling ;) Please keep it civil or this thread will get locked very quickly :p

My personal take on it... typical EU lobby driven drafts. They always try to pull that s*** and hope some of it will somehow make it into national law. It's right to be concerned, but no reason for doom and gloom. Same story as always...
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 13 Jun 2018, 02:18

Nothing is stopping you to create something new.

The reality is also that approx. 75% of the world's population doesn't care much about (our) copyright and we in the so called west are just making ourselves obsolete with stupid rules like the above. This is not doom and gloom by the way... I see that as the natural progression of civilization and contrary to 001eg I think we can only benefit from getting a reality check by the "barbarians".
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 13 Jun 2018, 15:32

Julis, you are downplaying this a lot. For those who live in the EU, this matters a lot.
Instead of downplaying, post facts. So far you only gave opinion.

Over 169 copyright scholars and professors (!) wrote an open letter opposing this legislation. Yes, it's that bad.
https://nexa.polito.it/academics-agains ... ignatories

The academic community is virtually unanimous in its opposition to the European Commission’s proposal for a press publishers right. We commend to you the previous critical interventions from Bently et al, Danbury, the European Copyright Society, Geiger et al, the Max Planck Institute, Peukert, van Eechoud, and the Study conducted by Bently, Kretschmer et al for the JURI Committee in September 2017.


It has been suggested that the right will prevent the re-use of snippets from, and hyperlinks to, publicly available websites. If these claims turn out to be true, the new right will also harm freedom of expression and freedom of art, and impede innovation.


Also, there's now a podcast about this topic:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180 ... osal.shtml
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 15 Jun 2018, 02:19

Sure, I understand that theoretically we are all standing on the shoulders of giants and that thus copyright is mostly just a silly idea, but in practical terms there is plenty of room to create new works. This is because the theoretical derivativeness of a work can be so "dilluted" and obscured that any copyright claim is unenforcable. And contrary to the intuition that indefinite copyright would make this more and more difficult, I am pretty sure the opposite will be the case with copyright sort of suffucating on itself with more and more theoretical claims becoming unenforcable and thus void.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 20 Jun 2018, 13:40

Well, fuck:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/de/p ... igital-age

Note that this is an official statement, don't expect to see criticism here. ;)

It's not completely over yet, the European Parliament still needs to give its OK so this might be the final chance to stop it. However, the Parliament rarely votes against the committee.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 05 Jul 2018, 13:45

https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1014814460488413185

Looks like there is another chance to reduce the lobby influence on this.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 05 Jul 2018, 22:11

Yes, good news. But notice how close the result was. It was quite close.

Further reading:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180 ... -now.shtml
https://edri.org/press-release-eu-parli ... directive/
https://torrentfreak.com/eu-parliament- ... rd-180705/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/0 ... ight_vote/
https://boingboing.net/2018/07/05/europ ... ts-co.html

PHEW!

The fight is not over yet. Probably in September or so, the EU Parliament will have another vote.
This is more than enough time to make clear that mandatory upload filters and a special ultra-restrictive right for snippets from news articles (a.k.a. “link tax”) can not be tolerated.

I cannot stress enough how extremely important this is to everyone who does anything on the Internet. If you live in the EU, you have to speak up against this crap, in your own interest.

If you are still confused by all this and don't understand what is happening, the MEP Julia Reda explains this in great detail:
https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/article-11-13-vote/

Neutral article on this topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive ... gle_Market
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 23 Aug 2018, 22:04

On September 12, the EU parliament will have another vote and decide how to proceed.

On August 26, several demonstrations have been planned in cities across the EU.

Map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/co ... 107/12.964
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 28 Aug 2018, 12:23

Bad news, everyone. These demonstrations were a complete and utter desaster. Reports suggest visitor numbers not higher than 300 in all of Germany. 150 tops in Berlin. There are no numbers for other countries, it's possible there really was no one there.
That's laughable compared to the huge anti-ACTA demonstrations a while ago.

EU politicians will notice this. This is a huge deal. A common theme among the proponents of censorship is now to just claim the opposition is just all fake. This is just fuel for this lie. What's worse, almost no journalist seems to be questioning this lie (and other ones), which will skew opinion in favor of Article 11+13.
The oppositoin is not fake, the opposition is real (see links above).

TBH, I find it hard to believe that nobody is against this since the subject matter is about as explosive as ACTA. Those who were against ACTA will probably also be against Article 11 and 13.

My hypothesis is that the demonstrations were just very poorly announced. Apparently someone just placed a website somewhere and thought that's how you start a EU-wide demonstrations. :D There were only a VERY few places in the Internet where I saw this map. It's not really a big surprise, then. :(

There is now a real and serious danger of this EU Copyright Directive crap to pass. If a wonder is not being done very soon, this shit could actually pass through parliament. The next vote is due on September 12.

Any ideas?
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby O01eg » 28 Aug 2018, 19:12

Do you have a anti-copyright political groups here? Currently many right-wings are banned and censored by copyright monopolies like Google, Apple and Microsoft. Maybe you could ensure them to protest against this law as it gives those monopolies more and more power.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby O01eg » 12 Sep 2018, 20:17

Looks like it was accepted: https://gab.ai/a/posts/34945944
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 14 Sep 2018, 12:51

Yes, it's true. :(
Both upload filters and the “link tax” were accepted by the parliament with only minor changes.
Technically, the process is not over yet, now the “negotiations” go into the trilogue in Spring 2019, but given that the commission, the member states and the parliament are all for these rules (i.e. anti-freedom), it's more a technicality than anything else.

Note it's a directive and not in force yet. The EU member states still have to adopt it into real law. That might still give us a couple of months to adopt to the new reality.

I wonder if webforums like this one will be affected by this. Since you can technically “upload texts”. Websites like OpenGameArt will almost certainly affected, as upload filters are a direct attack on them. Unless they not EU-based.

Sadly, it's not a big surprise, given the protests on the streets were really tiny. The anti-ACTA protests were huge. Although this crap could be probably called ACTA 2.0.

The fact that the “link tax” was adopted is especially infuriating. We know for a fact that it doesn't earn publishers any money, so the main argument for it is already bullshit, it has been tried and failed in Germany and Spain. That's not just anti-freedom, that's also anti fact-based policy-making.

It's nice to see that Gab founder basically instantly announced to fight back.
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UPDATE!

Postby Wuzzy » 04 Apr 2019, 19:46

It's been a long time since I wrote last here, but a lot has happened in the past month.

So. At the end of March 2019, the European Parliament voted in FAVOR of the EU Copyright Directive. The vote was about the entire Directive.
https://juliareda.eu/2019/04/copyright-final-vote/

This is very bad. It's almost game over for us. ALMOST. Technically, the Directive is not yet in legal force. YET.

Demonstrations have already been planned in multiple cities again, most of them in March 6th 2019, which is very soon.

This is because the EU Council needs to approve the Directive as well, otherwise, it will not go into force. So there's still a chance to stop this. The Council might be our very very last line of defense.

Note this is a directive, that is, even if it goes through the Council, that does not mean it's a law. It means the EU member states must implement the directive in their national laws, which then has the actual effect. This process can take up to 2 years, but some states, especially France seem to be very eager to rush the new copyright laws as fast as possible.

Demos:
https://savetheinternet.info/demos

The chance the EU Council rejects it is pretty small, but it's not zero, so I don't give up at this stage yet.

To recap why this Directive is a complete trainwreck:
  • Forced upload Filtering: Anyone in the EU which allows with their website to let user upload stuff will be DIRECTLY liable for any copyright violations their users commit. The only way to escape this liability is to add some kind of pre-censorship mechanism. Think of Content ID on YouTube, but forced on the entire Internet (well, at least in the EU). To be fair, there are a few exceptions, but they are rather weak. This is a serious threat to our freedom.
    In other words, stuff like Facebook, YouTube, webforums, your cat picture and memes sharing website, … all that would be affected, since users can upload stuff there. Winners: Copyright Extremists, Big Media. Losers: Everyone else.
  • Press Publisher's Right: Press Publishers get an unique right on their publications (on TOP of copyright). If you want to quote or parody a press publication, or use a short snippet of the text to display in a search engine or a news aggregator, you now require to have a license from the publisher. It's not even clear if it is unproblematic to even copy just the title (!) of a news article. If you don't get that license, or can't afford one, tough luck for you. This makes legacy media more powerful to keep smaller creators down. Winners: Big Media. Losers: Everyone else.
  • Exploitation of content creators: If you create any media and have made a contract with a publisher, there is now an article in the directive that allows EU member states to add a rule that allows publishers to get a share of your income. In practice that could mean less money for those who earn money with their works but have a contract with a publisher. Winners: Publishers (esp. in Germany). Losers: Everyone else.

More about the Copyright Directive:
https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/eu-copyright-final-text/
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

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