Arthur {l Wrote}:Ideas are not copyrightable, and if they were, you'd have to say goodbye to pretty much any game newer than 1990.
But in many cases the original product is even reverse engineered
but the chinese ripoff products even though they are pretty much exact the same, still make it under their own brand name.
Courts may agree that this is copyright infringement in some cases.... But this is (morally) wrong. Copyright should not be that extensive.
Duion {l Wrote}:Arthur {l Wrote}:Ideas are not copyrightable, and if they were, you'd have to say goodbye to pretty much any game newer than 1990.
It is still stealing or at least a dick move.
Duion {l Wrote}:It is not about authority is is about common sense
If I create something and I do not want others to have it, then you are violating my natural right
onpon4 {l Wrote}:If I create something and I do not want others to have it, then you are violating my natural right
Funny how this "natural right" didn't even exist as a concept until after the invention of the printing press, after at least 6500 years (90%) of writing history. Funny also how this "natural right", by its very nature, requires a state to impose power on other people.
No, copyright is not a "natural right". It's a business strategy that the government helps publishers with. It's also obsolete, because we don't have the same economy of scale that we did with the printing press any more.
charlie {l Wrote}:Duion {l Wrote}:It is not about authority is is about common sense
I'm not sure you are the best person for dictating what is and is not common sense.
charlie {l Wrote}:Duion {l Wrote}:Arthur {l Wrote}:Ideas are not copyrightable, and if they were, you'd have to say goodbye to pretty much any game newer than 1990.
It is still stealing or at least a dick move.
It is not and please keep the language clean.
It is not stealing because nobody is having anything removed from them. There is no physical loss nor a loss of revenue to the makers of Transport Tycoon because of OpenTTD etc. Often these projects lend new leases of life to old games, porting them to other platforms, encouraging sales of the originals. In some cases they make free content alternatives e.g. Freeciv but nobody makes that a 1-to-1 copy because _that_ would be infringing on the "Intellectual Property" and "Copyright" rights of the original game makers, not re-implementing the engine.
Also what is and is not a clone? Is STK a clone of MarioKart? Really? It's no more a clone than Duke3D is of Doom.
Duion {l Wrote}:charlie {l Wrote}:Duion {l Wrote}:It is still stealing or at least a dick move.
It is not and please keep the language clean.
Is the word "stealing" now censorworthy as well, because it sounds so "negative"?
[/quote]Duion {l Wrote}:charlie {l Wrote}:It is not stealing because nobody is having anything removed from them. There is no physical loss nor a loss of revenue to the makers of Transport Tycoon because of OpenTTD etc. Often these projects lend new leases of life to old games, There is no pshysical loss, since the product does not even exist physically to begin with, so this is a useless comparison.
What there is though is the loss of immaterial values such as appreciation for the original creator.
charlie {l Wrote}:Duion {l Wrote}:charlie {l Wrote}:Duion {l Wrote}:It is still stealing or at least a dick move.
It is not and please keep the language clean.
Is the word "stealing" now censorworthy as well, because it sounds so "negative"?
This is why I think you are a troll. The word 'dick' is offensive the way you are using it. You are calling people dicks because you disagree with them philosophically.Duion {l Wrote}:charlie {l Wrote}:It is not stealing because nobody is having anything removed from them. There is no physical loss nor a loss of revenue to the makers of Transport Tycoon because of OpenTTD etc. Often these projects lend new leases of life to old games, There is no pshysical loss, since the product does not even exist physically to begin with, so this is a useless comparison.
What there is though is the loss of immaterial values such as appreciation for the original creator.
You expose the shallowness of your own arguments here.
Firstly, you called it stealing, so the comparison is VERY relevant to your own use of the language.
Secondly, how does it rob the original creator of appreciation? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, for starters. How many people would speak of Transport Tycoon now if it werent' for OpenTTD? None! So it INCREASES apprecation, thereby wiping out the entire foundation to your rather ill thought out position.
Duion {l Wrote}:And if people would like to get their creations stolen, there would be nothing like copyright law to prevent this.
Duion {l Wrote}:I did not call anyone a dick, I was just saying in a hypothetical scenario someone doing it would be doing a dick move, no idea how to translate this to english otherwise. So nobody ever got called a dick by me here.
Duion {l Wrote}:It is still stealing or at least a dick move.
charlie {l Wrote}:Duion {l Wrote}:I did not call anyone a dick, I was just saying in a hypothetical scenario someone doing it would be doing a dick move, no idea how to translate this to english otherwise. So nobody ever got called a dick by me here.
You are oblivious to your own words:Duion {l Wrote}:It is still stealing or at least a dick move.
You are calling open source devs, especially those who "clone" games (or make games inspired by others) thieves and dicks.
The natural right did always exist
Duion {l Wrote}:Just because people get away with it, does not prove that it is right or moral and it does not prove anything else than that some people are criminals.
dulsi {l Wrote}:Even if many open source games start as clones, they generally grow to have new features and don't try to perfectly clone everything.
Duion {l Wrote}:Banned for what? For not understanding a non existant point someone made?
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