farcodev {l Wrote}:Licenses, our modern world plague.
Julius {l Wrote}:The entire point of using a clear standard license is that there is as little uncertainty for someone reusing it as possible, thus NC is a bad choice and should have never made it in the CC license set.
Julius {l Wrote}:With NC there are just too many borderline cases, this is just an example for a pretty extreme one.
Julius {l Wrote}:The entire point of using a clear standard license is that there is as little uncertainty for someone reusing it as possible, thus NC is a bad choice and should have never made it in the CC license set.
andrewj {l Wrote}:While I couldn't agree more, it seems most artists out there freak out at the idea of somebody making money off something they have donated to the world.
gouessej {l Wrote}:andrewj {l Wrote}:While I couldn't agree more, it seems most artists out there freak out at the idea of somebody making money off something they have donated to the world.
I'm not an artist but I see the same thing in my country and personally, I don't want my whole game to be used in a commercial product. I don't want to earn money with my game and I don't want other people to use it for commercial purposes because it would ruin my message, the meaning of my game, my intentions.
Akien {l Wrote}:Maybe then a strong copyleft licence such as the GPL would be the best way to preserve your intentions. It wouldn't prevent people from making money from your game (in all legal aspects, e.g. selling together with a Linux magazine a compilation DVD with hundreds of open-source game to broaden their userbase), but at least any resulting fork would have to be GPL.
gouessej {l Wrote}:"The people who are likely to be hurt by an -NC license are not large corporations, but small publications like weblogs, advertising-funded radio stations, or local newspapers."
This is typically the kind of people I would like to "hurt" too. Google makes tons of money with ads.
gouessej {l Wrote}:We need a sustainable and fair economic model, relying exclusively on ads is very dangerous on my view, it just encourages people not to look for a real solution. I use Adblock Edge and when a software is very useful for me, even though it is free of charge, I try to contact its developer and I give her/him some money. I gave 50 € to the developer of a blacklist application for Android.
Julius {l Wrote}:Google *is* a huge corporation, so I don't really get what you are saying here.
Julius {l Wrote}:Yes the entire ads-model is flawed, especially as it makes the consumers the product and not the customers.
Julius {l Wrote}:However at this point in time it is pretty much the only one that seems to work for online publications. The Free Software community is actually one of the few that actively try to find other functioning financing models too, thus using the -NC option is inhibiting this kind of creative thinking and ultimately consolidates the ad-model as the only viable option.
Julius {l Wrote}:Oh and by the way, you realize that nearly all ad-block software available is actually working on a blackmail model? It's a not so well hidden secret that they get paid by ad companies to whitelist their specific ads.
c_xong {l Wrote}:But one could not have copyleft without copyright!
FaTony {l Wrote}:But why reverse something that is wrong if it is possible not to have it in a first place?
c_xong {l Wrote}:FaTony {l Wrote}:But why reverse something that is wrong if it is possible not to have it in a first place?
Without copyright, it's as if all source code is public domain by default. This would be great but wouldn't this not have prevented the situation that spawned GPL and FSF in the first place: a printer manufacturer refusing to distribute its source code? After all without software licenses there's nothing compelling vendors from providing source.
Julius {l Wrote}:http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Verstoss-gegen-CC-Lizenz-Deutschlandradio-muss-zahlen-2151308.html
(German only)
But this case makes the "Non-commercial" option even worse than we always said
To quickly summarize:
A government owned radio channel (no advertisements, runs at a loss and is meant for public good) used a CC-by-NC picture with full attribution and everything on their freely accessible website and was sued by the photographer because of "commercial use". In the 1st instance this was ruled as correct as according to the judge "NC" means purely "private" use!
So especially if you are in Germany avoid the "NC" option like the bubonic plague!
However it seems like this is going in the next "legal round" and this ruling might be overturned later on.
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