Free Gamer trolled by Galactic Vice

[charlie]

Email conversation with Jon aka MyEmail - although he pretended to not be himself initially, before splitting his personality.

TL;DR asks for exposure on Free Gamer, feigns offense at refusal due to GV not being FOSS, trolls repeatedly including pretending to be 2 people

- C

FreeGamer and Galactic Vice

Email by Gravity Games

Dear Sir or Madam,

First off may I say how wonderful of a site you have--FreeGamer is no doubt a true gem of the Open Source community .

I contact you today with regards to a video-game I manage called Galactic Vice (or "Gv" if you will). Gv is a free game with high-quality graphics that runs on both Windows and Linux. It fits nicely in the RTS category with Starcraft 2 and the likes, and is free because of its licensing. It has been under active development for several years now which is a testament to our extraordinary dedication.

I believe it would be mutually beneficial for Gv to have FreeGamer's support, in order to provide blog updates for Gv's progress. The attention a high-profile game would generate is no doubt worth the time in blog posts? And of course Gv would benefit from the... advertising (for lack of a better, less-harsh word).

Gv has reached another landmark release which will be published this Saturday the 10th. I believe the users of your site would thoroughly enjoy a in-depth article on Gv--what it is, where it is now, and where it is going in the future. If you are interested I would be happy to provide you with any information you need to make this possible.

I look forward to your response .

Thank you,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Charlie

In amongst your incredibly hard-to-read website (grey text on a grey background, really?) there is this:

> Is Galactic Vice open source? Answer: No, much to our dismay it is not.

It is off-topic for the blog. For this reason, we will not be covering it.

- Charlie

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Email by Gravity Games

Fair enough, although I think it still fits into the category of [Free]Gamer even if the source is closed.

Thanks,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Iwan Gabovitch

Our blawg is about open source games only, sorry for the confusing wording

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Email by Gravity Games

Yes its very deceiving. Is there any reason your site leader was, perhaps a bit rude in replying?

Thanks,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Gravity Games

Oh, ok. I get it--your bitter because Gv is closed source. No hard feelings .

But you know, the current course of action is not exactly conducive with Gv becoming open source. Excuse my bluntness (and with all due respect), all I see in the FOSS world is bunch of arrogant jerks who reject fine works on account of miniscule licensing differences.

... Which is actually the reason why Gv is closed source as you can see on our About page. It was FOSS (GPLv3 and CC) until one of your FreeGamer members trolled the forums with license changing requests. But if you want to keep up the trend that is certainly your choice and I will respect that.

Have an excellent day,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Charlie

Um, it's not bitterness.

Free Gamer - Free, open source game and development news
(free as in FSF free).

Gv is off-topic. We don't cover other non-foss games. Why should we make an exception of Gv?

There's not much I can do about your experience of the FOSS community. Most of us are passionate about software freedom, and I guess sometimes that manifests itself in less-than constructive ways.

Saying that, you changing your licensing because of interaction with one person indicates it was never a principle for you, but an means to an end, and in that light your opinion of us as "arrogant jerks" (and we're trolling?) doesn't mean too much to me.

- Charlie

PS. Are you MyEmail?

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Email by Iwan Gabovitch

Hey Gravity Games,

I haven't read the thread so no comment on that. But if a troll made you switch development philosophies that is a shame.

We certainly don't want to nurture trolls, we ban them.

Cheers

Iwan

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Email by Charlie

Yes its very deceiving. Is there any reason your site leader was, perhaps a bit rude in replying?

There is an FAQ on the blog.

That you did not read it is not our fault. You seem to be aware of open source but do not understand it; Free software is a well known open source term.

The wording is not confusing. I don't know why Qubodup apologised.

Also I was not rude. I was matter-of-fact. You are a troll. Please stop looking for a fight.

- C

What exactly is a Free game?

A Free game (emphasis on the capital 'F') is a Free Software game. Free Software (often incorrectly confused with the term open source) is software whose source code and media are made available under a license permitting modification and redistribution. It is better explained by the experts.

An open source game may have non-free media or have non-commercial and other restrictive clauses in their licensing. Some of our posters are quite interested in the development of several open source titles, so they do get mentioned. Fortunately, often an open source game with non-free media is accompanied by a longer term effort to replace the media with updated, Free-ly licensed content.

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Email by Gravity Games

I really don't understand your opposition to me Charlie. I was suggesting a license change for Galactic Vice but all I see is more arrogant jerkish-nesh, confirming my need to stay closed-source.

Thank you,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Charlie

BUT YOU DID NOT SUGGEST A LICENSE CHANGE?!!?

What the hell?!

- C

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Email by Charlie

Just stop emailing / contacting us. You obviously are incapable of interacting with people without invoking fury.

You troll non-stop for a week until you get banned (and not by me, I might add), and now you're at it again in private email. You call me rude, our community arrogant jerks, reject the open source philospohy, then come across as bemused that I do not know something ONLY IN YOUR HEAD - a fictional possible change of license - which apparently makes ME TO BLAME for not being a fucking psychic!?!?

I GIVE UP WITH YOU. GO AWAY YOU BIZARRE INDIVIDUAL.

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

Yes, I did. My third email was very suggestive to that cause--I would be fanatic if Galactic Vice was FOSS again.

... Wait a second? Is this on account of Jon trolling freegamer forums? If so all I have to say is: Rofl, that guys is a freakin' genius with his trolling method--you really got your ass(s) handed too you. Lol, he really knows how to work people. Reasons like that are why I hire guys like him--genius high-school dropouts thirsty for success .

But no hard feelings right? Your member trolled my site my member trolled yours. Its just a little bit of fun that only bruises egos .

Anyway,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Iwan Gabovitch

Hilarious lol

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Email by Charlie

Heh and we're the jerks, eh :P

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

Well, look at it from my point of view--you just cussed me out when I offered a licensing change .

Yours Truly,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Charlie

Nice try troll.

You offered nothing other than trolling. And you're doing it more.

Good luck with life.

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

Wow, I though the way you acted was merely a side-effect of Jon's trolling, but maybe "arrogant jackass" is just built into your nature. Can I please talk to a competent member, one who is mature enough to see past the troll situation?

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Email by Charlie

There is nobody available to talk about a non-foss game or fictional offers to open source a non-foss game.

When you have an online source repository with a third party provider (Sourceforge, Google Code, Github etc) then we'll be happy to help.

Good luck with your project. Thanks for letting us know about Gv and sorry we couldn't be more helpful.

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

Ah hell, you guys are just pissed because Galactic Vice is successful and it irks you that its closed source, where your little FOSS projects on FreeGamer can only dream to be 1/10 of what Galactic Vice is now.

Eat it losers,
Jon.

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Email by Gravity Games

DAMMIT Jon, stay out of this. You've caused enough trouble already.

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Email by Charlie

I would eat it but that might break my computer.

You should see a doctor about that split-personality disorder.

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

I really do apologize, this situation has got out of hand. Perhaps it is best of Galactic Vice to stay closed-source and FreeGamer separate. Don't worry, you won't be hearing from us again (which I am sure is a relief due to the events that have transpired--but it really is too bad it ends this way).

Sorry again.

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Email by Charlie

I feel a bit bad. We want to support high school dropouts as we know they struggle with integration in to society.

Is there nothing we can do?

- C

[charlie]

FreeGamer and Galactic Vice cont.

Email by Charlie

By the way, next time you want to pretend to be 2 people, try using 2 different email addresses or even 2 different computers (. I feel a bit embarrassed for you that you would do that. You were probably sat there in front of your PC giggling like a little girl thinking of how clever you are, when you're not only being a tit, but a stupid tit, ironically calling himself a genius.

When you realise that you're not actually a genius, you'll probably find it a lot easier to get along with other people and enjoy your life in a meaningful way.

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

Wow, Charlie may I make one quick request? In a week or so when the steam has cooled, could you go back and re-read this email? I mean, set aside what Jon did and look at it from a new perspective.

I really hope this is just a side-effect of the troll incident and not the sheer nature of the FOSS community, as you (with all due respect) shine really bad light on it. I almost wish we could set aside our differences and focus on what we both agree on: FOSS software ROCKS .

Anyway, if you do not wish to pursue relations than please stop contacting us here at Gravity Games (I now have a gargantuan mess to deal with on account of a very unhappy team-member). If you do respond I merely request you be civil, and in turn I can guarantee we will do the same.

Yours Truly,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Charlie

I am very civil, but dealing with a person repeatedly trolling us and now pretending to be 2 people (email headers contain originating info, doofus)... what do you want? Gratitude?

If your "team member" is unhappy, look in the mirror and give yourself a pep talk.

If you really thought that FOSS rocks then you'd still have Gv open source and you wouldn't have invested all these hours trolling the community.

Sort your life out kid. Good luck with your game.

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

Sigh. Never should have multi-usered a single account. Never should have even thought about FOSS-ing Galactic Vice. Oh well, what can you do?

If you really are civil then please re-read this series email with the different perspective like I requested. Perhaps even ask someone else's perspective, say Julius's? It is a small request that will take but a few moments.

Have a nice day,
Gravity Games.

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Email by Charlie

Dude you sent it from the same computer, not just the same account...

We posted this entire thread in its entirety the admin forums. Julius and all the other mods get to read it.

Never should have thought about FOSS for Gv? Definitely not. You obviously do not understand/believe in FOSS given your initial "Oh its [Free] Gamer" trolling.

- C



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Email by Charlie

Jon,

http://galacticvice.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=95

Is this the "license trolling" we famously hear about?

Btw, you can stop pretending to be 2 people now. Your [Galactive Vice] board username 'jgoodliffe' gives it away.

From the Developers Guide:

"The project manager is Jon [jgoodlife], who manages everything."

Jesus you are an embarrassment to yourself.

- C

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Email by Charlie

FYI. Now everybody can read it:

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=1953

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

Rofl, you guys are so predictable and gullible. I can manipulate you on a whim. I find these chats of ours amusing, and getting you to rage is hilarious. Granted that was a nice catch (the two email thing) but hardly relevant in the long run as it just fans the flames and makes it funnier.

Anyway, I actually took this endeavor because there was a hacking attempt--suspected to be a FOSS fanatic from FreeGamer. That is why I targeted FOSS-related topics (for the fanatic side) and programming-related topics (those with computer experience). I purposely struck up arguments in order to goad people into sending me emails so I could compare their information to that of the hacking attempt.

Turns out your not the guy I am looking for so I have no issues disclosing whats really going on.

Lol, I played you guys like a musical instrument. And its fine if you want to slander me on your forums it doesn't bother me, it just feeds the fuel to my goal by giving me a basis to goad more people into emailing me . I just find it funny you rage so hard and go to such extreme mesaures to take me down. Lmao.

Anyway,
Jon.

P.S: How do you like the high-school dropout act? Pretty good huh?

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Email by Charlie

I doubt anybody is interested in you or your little project to the point of hacking in to get the source. Your world must be so small for you to think that.

- C

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Email by Gravity Games

Rofl, who said this was about Galactic Vice? Haha, this is just too good.

You got played my friend.

Lmao.

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Email by Gravity Games

Anyway, this chat is done as I have nothing more to say, and I am auto-deleting any chats you send from now on. Have a stupendous day!

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Email by Charlie

Well doesn't that just break my heart.

- C

[charlie]

Emails from Jon to Julius. (Although Julius got most of the emails anyway as freegamerblog@ forwards to us all. I did forget to BCC a few of my replies though sent most of them on, but the thread will have been tricky to follow.)

This is another attempt at trolling - "Perhaps you could put a good word in" - after his "split personality" and all sorts.

Galactic Vice and Julius

Email by Gravity Games

Hello Julius,

You have shown considerably more maturity and good-nature than your FreeGamer friends, and perhaps could help this situation out. I was in one of those "I wish Gv was FOSS again moods", and contacted the FreeGamer admin to "test the water" so to speak. You can see from this forwarded email how that went .

Perhaps you could put a good word in?

Thanks,
Jon.

Quoting from conversation up to:
> I really do apologize, this situation has got out of hand.

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Email by Julius

Hello Jon

I don't quite get the nature of this request... how is making Galactic Vice open-source again in any way related to the FreeGamer community?

If you make it FOSS (with a freely accessible repository with clear licensing terms) we will be happy to report about it positivly on our blog and encurage community members to contribute of course... no hard feelings really (from my side at least ).

Good luck with the project and it would be definitly nice if it was to become FOSS.

-Julius

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Email by Gravity Games

Although I have been an ass the one person a feel bad about taking advantage of is you Julius, and that's because of your good nature--its hard to come by these days. So too you at least: Please accept my sincere apology for having to use you in this anti-hacking troll campaign. I also wanted to thank you for the excellent manner in which you always handled situations--even though it made it tough for me to accomplish my goal :P.

And to show you I am actually sincere here is a 10 smileys

Thanks,
Jon.

P.S: I don't expect a reply .

[charlie]

Please don't delete.

Gravity Games to Charlie, Iwan, Krischan

To whom it may concern,

Ive been giving this a lot of thought recently and please hear me out. I am sending this because--despite how I have acted--I am a christian man and my actions have been nothing short of despicable. You have reaffirmed something I already knew--that you get what you dish out--and have brought me to realize a bit of humility . For all of this in a odd way I am grateful as its given me an opportunity to look at myself and make the necessary changes.

I have a relative who one day called me up and cussed me out in a very rude and distressing manner, and I swore that I would never associate with her again. I was amazed to find that she not only apologized but provided me with a package of my favorite kind of jerky . What amazed me more is the way it changed my disposition towards her--it transformed from the most bitter hate to an admiration for her actions. I don't know exactly how you feel towards me or the extent of the damage I have done, but I hope this situation is similar in that my apology can hopefully repair the damage.

Now, whether you publish this and/or continue the public thread is entirely up to you, and I respect your decision either way. I am sending this more to alleviate my own guilt and hopefully repair any damage I may have done. Please do accept my most sincere apology.

Again--and I can't say this enough or in a sincere enough manner to convey how truly sincere I am--I am sorry.

Yours Truly,
Jon.

[Crendgrim]

sigh.

[Arthur]

For being a troll, he's pretty good at it. But not good enough.

[amuzen]

Most likely the reality is that there was never any hacking attempt, and even if there were, trying to identify the culprit from emails is colossal waste of time. Him focusing on arguing with charlie shows that he never had any such motive for his behavior. Rudimentary research and reasoning would have shown that doing that is waste of time and effort that could be better spent enhancing your security.

Exposing his paranoid, vindictive and uneducated sides after all the other inconsistent statements and confused behavior only makes him look more pitiful. I recommend everybody to not be in further contact with him in order to not worsen his condition more.

[FreakNigh]

Lets be fair though. We knew he was trolling almost right off the bat. He was kept around for entertainment and as a science project.

[Knitter]

... He was kept around for entertainment and as a science project.

I should make a note here: HUGE SUCCESS....

Look at me still talking
when there's Science to do.
When I look out there, it makes me glAd I'm not him.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done....

[charlie]

You should see the sycophantic emails he sent to Julius. I think somebody has an admirer!

[oln]

You should see the sycophantic emails he sent to Julius. I think somebody has an admirer!

Post them!

[charlie]

Done. See the 3rd post.

[charlie]

Hah, he deleted the Gv forum thread where svenksmand was inquiring about the licensing / source.

FWIW there was no 'trolling' by svenksmand. He just asked where he could get the source, to which the response by Jon/MyEmail was, "I have my own custom VCS that's only on my computer."

[sireus]

That's not just trolling, that's sociopathy.
But seriously, Charlie, you acted as a beacon for him. Why don't you just stop replying when you get something like that thrown at you? Same for the trolling here on the forums - I mean, why do you reply to that? "Don't feed the trolls", they say, and they're right.

[charlie]

Sometimes it feels right to be wrong? Erm... I'm easy to wind up I guess.

[sireus]

Erm... I'm easy to wind up I guess.

So am I, but I figured that with some people, the sooner you give up, the better. There's just nothing to gain.

[farcodev]

As it was indicated by his monologue posts on this forum, this guy has serious problems ...
Anyway he's not the last troll the forum will have i guess.

Just let the dog barking and the caravan will pass

[charlie]

Got an apology. Difficult to know whether it is sincere or an attempt to get our guard down so the trolling can be continued. The whole relative story and a few other things flag up as cheap psychology tricks.

[Skorpio]

More lies. He seems to be a psychopath. Take a look at this checklist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath ... _Checklist

Block his e-mails, ban him from the forum, and enjoy your life instead of dealing with psychopaths.

[farcodev]

even to dev some user's interface is less annoying than to deal with this kind of troll :P

[svenskmand]

Poor guy. But as said before the only way to deal with him is to not respond: http://www.donotfeedtheenergybeast.com/

[charlie]

We didn't respond to the apology and he seems to have given up for now. Then again, he is a genius-level high school dropout so is likely plotting his revenge.

[svenskmand]

We didn't respond to the apology and he seems to have given up for now. Then again, he is a genius-level high school dropout so is likely plotting his revenge.

I like the usage of high school dropout and genius in the same sentence