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Postby Blindman » 08 Nov 2012, 19:45

Why do people insist on using foul names in this game and cant understand why they get kicked or banned?
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Re: names

Postby Sniper-Goth » 09 Nov 2012, 20:20

Call Of Duty kids/teens.Thats why.
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Re: names

Postby Blindman » 09 Nov 2012, 22:09

makes sense, ive seen more obscene names in this game in a week than in 10 years of enemy territory
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Re: names

Postby greaserpirate » 09 Nov 2012, 22:34

Well, one of our largest clans is called "wazu", although it's far more mature than the names we're probably talking about. Still, people draw the line between funny and stupid at different places.

Maybe it's just because I'm 16, but I don't mind as long as the names are inventive and not just stupid, and if the people don't act immature. But just to clear things up, isn't it the server owner's right to kick whoever they want?

Also, what are our demographics? I wouldn't expect a lot of CoD fanboys. Of course, this thing would be hard to measure, and the group of "people who act like CoD fanboys" doesn't include everyone who plays CoD and isn't limited to people who play CoD.

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Re: names

Postby Blindman » 10 Nov 2012, 00:48

No doubt, to be fair I expect its probably the same few, I know with et, simply banning an ip generally wasnt enough to keep retards out. when pb dropped support of et , modders came up with their own ways to keep out the bums.
As an admin, I try not to drop the hammer for no reason, the comminity being what it is I'd like to keep decent relations. I just dont think I need to put up with names like f*** just because they think its their right to name themselves whatever they want.
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Re: names

Postby hulk » 15 Nov 2012, 01:22

My ingame name is PENiS, i hope you can deal with that.^^
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Re: names

Postby Blindman » 15 Nov 2012, 23:02

Nope.
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Re: names

Postby ballist1c » 15 Nov 2012, 23:18

Blindman {l Wrote}:Nope.

To be fair, there is nothing offensive about the word itself; in modern society it is not considered an obscenity and it is infact a scientific term, there are MUCH more obscene names and usernames out there. There is a Warsow high-skill dueler named 'bigpenismonster'. Hulk, maybe just don't go on Blindman's server then ;)

I (a moderator) would not kick hulk for this, and there is no reason to; if his name was something like 'suck_my_<nick>', or ANYTHING considered an obscenity, then I would consider taking action, even more so if he teamkills, flames, or spams chat of course. But he doesn't.

Blindman {l Wrote}: I just dont think I need to put up with names like f*** just because they think its their right to name themselves whatever they want.


For me, they can name themselves anything that is not considered obscene; quin has the final word but I doubt he will deviate much from this. Keep in mind that moderators and server admins who kick/ban for a reason that is not apparent to most people will get said mod/admin in trouble; I have had experience with this, and going around insta-banning everyone with a slightly suggestive nickname will not help your case, so don't do that :)

(and no, I am not a CoD player; never owned a copy of the game in my life, even though a lot of my friends have. I grew up and stayed with Quake Live. I am as young as Greaserpirate, yet I use the brain given to me)
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Re: names

Postby Blindman » 16 Nov 2012, 00:35

ballist1c {l Wrote}:
Blindman {l Wrote}:Nope.

To be fair, there is nothing offensive about the word itself; in modern society it is not considered an obscenity and it is infact a scientific term, there are MUCH more obscene names and usernames out there. There is a Warsow high-skill dueler named 'bigpenismonster'. Hulk, maybe just don't go on Blindman's server then ;)

I (a moderator) would not kick hulk for this, and there is no reason to; if his name was something like 'suck_my_<nick>', or ANYTHING considered an obscenity, then I would consider taking action, even more so if he teamkills, flames, or spams chat of course. But he doesn't.

Blindman {l Wrote}: I just dont think I need to put up with names like f*** just because they think its their right to name themselves whatever they want.


For me, they can name themselves anything that is not considered obscene; quin has the final word but I doubt he will deviate much from this. Keep in mind that moderators and server admins who kick/ban for a reason that is not apparent to most people will get said mod/admin in trouble; I have had experience with this, and going around insta-banning everyone with a slightly suggestive nickname will not help your case, so don't do that :)

(and no, I am not a CoD player; never owned a copy of the game in my life, even though a lot of my friends have. I grew up and stayed with Quake Live. I am as young as Greaserpirate, yet I use the brain given to me)


This is sillyness. Id rather not have to, this whole admin / mod / thing is frankly confusing. I dont think its a big deal to ask them to change the name, and no it isnt a freedom of speech thing, its just my preference. One mans obscene is another kids funny. So are you telling me to leave people alone on servers that I run, because at last count theres still only 30 or so running, less with any people on them, Id like not to think im being told I have no right to kick people from my own server.
Theres a difference between what passes for acceptable today than even a few years ago. So I guess if someone wants to be known as a penis, he then has the right to impose it on everyone else?
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Re: names

Postby ballist1c » 16 Nov 2012, 01:07

Blindman {l Wrote}:]This is sillyness. Id rather not have to, this whole admin / mod / thing is frankly confusing. I dont think its a big deal to ask them to change the name, and no it isnt a freedom of speech thing, its just my preference. One mans obscene is another kids funny. So are you telling me to leave people alone on servers that I run, because at last count theres still only 30 or so running, less with any people on them, Id like not to think im being told I have no right to kick people from my own server.


This is silliness? You brought it up, your topic, speak for yourself. ;)
And one man's preference is another man's idiocy.

I did not say you could not ask them to change their name, only that you shouldn't kick/ban them for refusing, as it will give you a bad reputation. (I doubt you run more than 3 servers anyway)
This goes for ANY server admin: they can run your server however the hell they want, but if they are overly strict or mean no one will come near your join button. Try to be logical and fair when you try to set down rules for a public gaming server.
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Re: names

Postby qreeves » 16 Nov 2012, 03:35

Guidelines for servers:
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* The owner of a server may outline their own rules, specific to their server.
  - These rules may not revoke any part of this document.
  - These rules must not make any unreasonable or illegal demands.

Guidelines for players:
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* Players must behave in a manner that is not disruptive to the game.
  - Cussing is fine, so long as it doesn't involve bigotry (racist, religious,
    or sexually derogatory [gender or orientation] remarks), unless a server is
    designated as "family friendly" and provides a clear definition of what
    kind of language is not permitted.
  - Intentionally killing team mates or scoring for an opposing team is not
    permitted.
  - Cheating, flooding and/or spamming is not permitted.

It might be your server, but it is our game/community/reputation that gets affected by bad behaviour, so yes, there are limits on what you can do, as outlined in "doc/guidelines.txt". So, as long as you make your rules clear (both in writing and in drawing the player attention to it) and define what kind of language is permitted, then you can do whatever you like on your own server. If the rules are not clear, or it becomes evident a server admin is just being abusive, then their server can/will be de-listed from the master server.
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Re: names

Postby hulk » 16 Nov 2012, 16:13

Blindman {l Wrote}:Theres a difference between what passes for acceptable today than even a few years ago. So I guess if someone wants to be known as a penis, he then has the right to impose it on everyone else?

Hey, chill out. It's just a harmless nickname. Not really a reason to flip out. :shock:

And yes i find it funny, even though i'm not a kid anymore. It's funny because it elicits responses like "ROFL, I GOT KILLED BY A WALKING PENIS"... So far nobody in the game has complained about the nickname. For me it's the most amusing when i'm winning a round and people see someone with the name "PENiS" has the most points.
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Re: names

Postby Blindman » 16 Nov 2012, 16:24

qreeves {l Wrote}:Guidelines for servers:
{l Code}: {l Select All Code}
* The owner of a server may outline their own rules, specific to their server.
  - These rules may not revoke any part of this document.
  - These rules must not make any unreasonable or illegal demands.

Guidelines for players:
{l Code}: {l Select All Code}
* Players must behave in a manner that is not disruptive to the game.
  - Cussing is fine, so long as it doesn't involve bigotry (racist, religious,
    or sexually derogatory [gender or orientation] remarks), unless a server is
    designated as "family friendly" and provides a clear definition of what
    kind of language is not permitted.
  - Intentionally killing team mates or scoring for an opposing team is not
    permitted.
  - Cheating, flooding and/or spamming is not permitted.

It might be your server, but it is our game/community/reputation that gets affected by bad behaviour, so yes, there are limits on what you can do, as outlined in "doc/guidelines.txt". So, as long as you make your rules clear (both in writing and in drawing the player attention to it) and define what kind of language is permitted, then you can do whatever you like on your own server. If the rules are not clear, or it becomes evident a server admin is just being abusive, then their server can/will be de-listed from the master server.

Im sorry I dont see how not allowing potentially offensive names can adversly affect your reputation, your game, or your 'community',such as it is. Again, this is just too subjective for any meaningful conversation.
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Re: names

Postby Blindman » 16 Nov 2012, 16:31

hulk {l Wrote}:
Blindman {l Wrote}:Theres a difference between what passes for acceptable today than even a few years ago. So I guess if someone wants to be known as a penis, he then has the right to impose it on everyone else?

Hey, chill out. It's just a harmless nickname. Not really a reason to flip out. :shock:

And yes i find it funny, even though i'm not a kid anymore. It's funny because it elicits responses like "ROFL, I GOT KILLED BY A WALKING PENIS"... So far nobody in the game has complained about the nickname. For me it's the most amusing when i'm winning a round and people see someone with the name "PENiS" has the most points.

Its not harmless if it offends even one person, as for your not being a kid,well 'nuff said.
And its nowhere near flipping out. From being a server admin for various games, I can say it doesnt matter to me personally, but i can see scenarios where it might involve hurt feelings. Im beginning to get the idea this is somewhat of a closed community.
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Re: names

Postby Blindman » 16 Nov 2012, 16:54

ballist1c {l Wrote}:
Blindman {l Wrote}:]This is sillyness. Id rather not have to, this whole admin / mod / thing is frankly confusing. I dont think its a big deal to ask them to change the name, and no it isnt a freedom of speech thing, its just my preference. One mans obscene is another kids funny. So are you telling me to leave people alone on servers that I run, because at last count theres still only 30 or so running, less with any people on them, Id like not to think im being told I have no right to kick people from my own server.


This is silliness? You brought it up, your topic, speak for yourself. ;)
And one man's preference is another man's idiocy.

I did not say you could not ask them to change their name, only that you shouldn't kick/ban them for refusing, as it will give you a bad reputation.(I doubt you run more than 3 servers anyway)
This goes for ANY server admin: they can run your server however the hell they want, but if they are overly strict or mean no one will come near your join button. Try to be logical and fair when you try to set down rules for a public gaming server.



This is silliness? You brought it up, your topic, speak for yourself. ;)

I was being polite.
And one man's preference is another man's idiocy.

I see that had the intended effect.

I did not say you could not ask them to change their name, only that you shouldn't kick/ban them for refusing


So I guess if they get kicked for naming themselves ****, they come crying here. This is my only real issue, has nothing whatever to do with the way anyone acted.

(I doubt you run more than 3 servers anyway)


Never claimed to. The point was the community seems a bit small for a game thats been around more than a year. Not sure when it first hit the net really, just making a point.

but if they are overly strict or mean no one will come near your join button.


Overly strict? Thats so ambiguous as to be meaningless. If you value freedom of speech that much, then you should understand it isnt about imposing ones will on another.
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Re: names

Postby bonifarz » 16 Nov 2012, 20:20

I think it all boils down to a matter of respect. Players should respect each other. Moderators (including admins) should respect the freedom of players, which clearly ends where others are harassed or insulted. Everyone should respect the framework given by the official guidelines as well as all the work and effort the developers have put into this game.

Back on topic, there are other cases where names could cause problems, such as impersonating others. Some servers have clear motds about such matters, and I think it is perfectly fine if a moderator enforces such rules in order to promote a good gaming experience for everyone. So calm down, people, respect each other, have fun and enjoy a good game.
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Re: names

Postby qreeves » 17 Nov 2012, 02:24

It comes down to this: you are playing a genre dominated by teenage-to-adult men. More often than not, this group is not very mature, therefore we take that into account when we created the rules. Yes, it might be mildly annoying there are people out there using profain nicknames, but it happens. I protect the important parts, like cheating, actual abuse, etc, and server admins are very welcome to set up their own rules for their own server. People vote with their feet, and if they don't like your rules they simply won't play on your server. I'd rather not run that experiment on the whole game.
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Re: names

Postby hulk » 17 Nov 2012, 16:10

Blindman {l Wrote}:but i can see scenarios where it might involve hurt feelings. Im beginning to get the idea this is somewhat of a closed community.

Oh really what kind of scenarios?

qreeves {l Wrote}:It comes down to this: you are playing a genre dominated by teenage-to-adult men. More often than not, this group is not very mature, therefore we take that into account when we created the rules. Yes, it might be mildly annoying there are people out there using profain nicknames, but it happens. I protect the important parts, like cheating, actual abuse, etc, and server admins are very welcome to set up their own rules for their own server. People vote with their feet, and if they don't like your rules they simply won't play on your server. I'd rather not run that experiment on the whole game.

I guess at my age you're older than most players and my nickname implies immaturity but that's really not the way i behave. I have chosen this name on purpose because it's kind of a troll name, but that is not prohibited, is it? Many people who you would consider mature, use even more offensive names in mutliplayer games and that doesn't bother me and i don't see why it should bother someone else. If it's really that big of a deal i will just change the name though, if you want me to do that. I don't care much about names anyway.
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Re: names

Postby qubodup » 09 Dec 2012, 11:40

I don't always play competitive online games but when I do, I prefer playing on servers where I and others get kicked and banned for profanity.
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