POLL: Instagib + Vampire, literally useless?

[inpersona64]

@ZeroKnight

Nice pasty-thingy Zero! I didn't even know. I just post whenever I can lol.

But I kind of agree with you on your second scenario about it getting boring. That definitely WON'T WORK. It's like "-Instagib" or 'less-than-instagib'. I mean i usually get tired after one game of Insta. This might make me quit half way through a 10 minute game lol.

And I think scenario 1 is sorta of in the same boat as Scenario 2. By this I mean it could still get a bit boring, despite it being the correct use of "Insta-Vampire" if quin were to include it.

I guess, by definition, Vampire and Insta really shouldn't, or can't work together. Because Insta means death INSTANTLY and Vampire means LIFE upon hit. I suppose I can make my choice now.

[kr1egsgott]

why not give people options even if you personally do not like them? senseless to me...
If people choose it you can ragequit or vote for something else whenever you want.
see, the're still 5 people voting for this combination when i write this.

however, i'm not going to flame anymore for or against this mode, in fact instagib is generally unattractive to me.

[inpersona64]

in fact instagib is generally unattractive to me.

Hey I ain't gonna lie, I didn't like it either at first. People killing each other instantly..where's the skill, right? lol just feels like luck most of the time. But I suppose you're right. Maybe we should allow it if others like it, i just won't play it, same as any other game that has like ten billion mutators. I'll probably switch sides if there are at least 12 ppl who'd vote for it.

[riidom]

I played some team-hover-insta-vampire-resize today.
The hover part is a matter of taste probably.. but: insta vampire resize is a funny combo, its like godzilla on speed, to quote on of the guys I played with.
Just because many people (including me!) dont like senseless and long mutator combos, I just wanted to break a lance for the i-v-r, because that is fun indeed. I suggest to try it!

[inpersona64]

I played some team-hover-insta-vampire-resize today.
The hover part is a matter of taste probably.. but: insta vampire resize is a funny combo, its like godzilla on speed, to quote on of the guys I played with.
Just because many people (including me!) dont like senseless and long mutator combos, I just wanted to break a lance for the i-v-r, because that is fun indeed. I suggest to try it!

As an avid parkour-ist, I shall never accept Hover as a good mutator. Hell, it'd be lovely if you could have hover mutator on BUT give players in the game a choice on whether they want to use it or not lol. But I'm not looking to start another poll.

[LuckyStrike-Rx]

It's off topic, but if hover could be removed, I would be happy. I may just leave, but it's annoying (specially when there's only 1 server with players) however I accept the fact it's impossible to please everyone.
I have trouble to find a game that I can enjoy (default setting, not instagib, not hover, just the basic game...) Only happen once every 3 month, and Get voted back to insta or hover-'+ some mutators' the next game. (I like insta, sometimes, but it's the only kind of match you can have most of the time)
(Maybe is that because there still bugs for picking weapon, or weapon not spawning at all)
I hope I will be able to find better match when/if more player join.
</whining (sry)>

[ZeroKnight]

why not give people options even if you personally do not like them? senseless to me...

Not saying we can't give options, man. I'm voicing my opinion on why I don't think this would work. As Sona said, these two gamemodes are polar opposites, and combining them makes less sense than throwing countless mutators in a single match. I would never be against giving options, as I dislike companies like Microsoft and (now unfortunately) Google who force things upon their users with no choice, and a downright refusal to make it an option.

Anyway, that's beside the point. Once again, for clarity, I will state the point. That point is that Vampire and Instagib are polar opposites, which was very clearly stated by Sona. They make no sense belonging together. As stupid as it is, something like ballistic-resize-vamp-etc.etc.etc. could be reasonable, because they don't really conflict with each other. Now, would I like to see lame super combos not happen? You bet your ass I would. Do I ragequit? No, I try a vote, and if it doesn't pass, I either sit the match out or dick around.

Regardless, let's try not to lose sight of goal of this thread: Should Insta+Vamp be a valid choice, and if so, should it be it's own quasi-gamemode?

[EDIT]
Lol, I hate hover too for the same reasons, but please, that's another thread for another time ;)

[inpersona64]

It's off topic, but if hover could be removed, I would be happy. I may just leave, but it's annoying (specially when there's only 1 server with players) however I accept the fact it's impossible to please everyone.
I have trouble to find a game that I can enjoy (default setting, not instagib, not hover, just the basic game...) Only happen once every 3 month, and Get voted back to insta or hover-'+ some mutators' the next game. (I like insta, sometimes, but it's the only kind of match you can have most of the time)
(Maybe is that because there still bugs for picking weapon, or weapon not spawning at all)
I hope I will be able to find better match when/if more player join.
</whining (sry)>

As a quick note, my favorite gametype+mutator combo is Team-Arena DM (although, most players are smart enough not to vote it when I'm in the server, hehe). But I know what u mean by default setting. Something like basic Team Deathmatch or a normal game of Defend-The-Flag (but perhaps add the Quick mutator cause securing the flag takes a while). I don't mind haveing to search for weapons, and it gives me a chance to practice the pistol.

[LuckyStrike-Rx]

My favorite is team survivor (it also cool with arena as it don't broke gameplay that much) I would be happy if I could find a Arena team DM sometimes Playing with the full weaponry a bit more often would be pleasing

To back on topic, the more there is 'odd' gameplay mutator, the harder it will be to find a pleasing game for everyone. It will just multiply the number of different gameplay, but not the player base. I'm for keeping it simple, looks to be the way of success for most area games (Q3, UrT,CS,TF...), where you know that whatever server you choose, you'll most probably play something clean, balanced, and pleasant 80% of the time.

I like mutators, it allow some variant on gameplay to keep interest, I just think reducing the number of oddies would not be a bad idea. Insta is Insta, no need to make this more complicated.

It's just my opinion about area game, only involve myself, and I know that Red Eclipse is all about customization, but maybe having a balance between customization and possibility to get a 'clean' gameplay for all users.

[qreeves]

Yeah, I'm actually starting to think there should be a server variable controlling the maximum number of mutators you can combine together in one game.

[inpersona64]

Yeah, I'm actually starting to think there should be a server variable controlling the maximum number of mutators you can combine together in one game.

Hmmm, now there's something worth pondering

[TheLastProject]

Okay, you guys convinced me due to the fact that Instagib stands for one shot, one kill and therefore this mutator would probably be more confusing than useful.

[ZeroKnight]

My favorite is team survivor (it also cool with arena as it don't broke gameplay that much) I would be happy if I could find a Arena team DM sometimes :)

I love Survivor! It makes me sad that no one ever chooses it :( I like it because it emphasizes teamwork. You NEED to play as a team to come out victorious, because you've got one life :P It's pretty much CoD's Search & Destroy without the bomb (which is how basically everyone plays it anyway, lol) People actually working together as a team is an ever decreasing thing to see in FPS's :/ Everyone just wants to be on their own. I rarely see someone actually use team chat in game, and I hardly have a need for it since no one plays as a team -_-

To back on topic, the more there is 'odd' gameplay mutator, the harder it will be to find a pleasing game for everyone. [. . .] where you know that whatever server you choose, you'll most probably play something clean, balanced, and pleasant 80% of the time.

I like mutators, it allow some variant on gameplay to keep interest, I just think reducing the number of oddies would not be a bad idea. Insta is Insta, no need to make this more complicated.

It's just my opinion about area game, only involve myself, and I know that Red Eclipse is all about customization, but maybe having a balance between customization and possibility to get a 'clean' gameplay for all users.

I couldn't agree more, Lucky. Variety and customization are things I've always been a fan of, (I'm a customization whore) and I like how this is possible even with the actual Gameplay in RE, yet I do agree we should balance the customization. And what better way to do that than with more customization! Quin's idea is brilliant. Let server owners decide a limit on mutators. It will be their choice on how many to allow at once, or even no restriction. Their customization. I dunno, it just seems like a really logical choice.
A more ideal solution, which unfortunately I think would take a fairly sized source edit, would be to add the functionality to set allowed/disallowed mutator combos as svars. That way a server admin could REALLY customize how they want mutators to be/not to be used.

[SLIGHTLY OFFTOPIC]
What's the difference between: "sv_varname" and "varname"? Are they simply aliases? Or do they represent something convoluted that I haven't noticed?

[qreeves]

People actually working together as a team is an ever decreasing thing to see in FPS's :/ Everyone just wants to be on their own. I rarely see someone actually use team chat in game, and I hardly have a need for it since no one plays as a team

This is why I try to create gameplay that supports teamplay, but being successful in it isn't required for victory (this is kinda why bomber-ball fails in pubs).

A more ideal solution, which unfortunately I think would take a fairly sized source edit, would be to add the functionality to set allowed/disallowed mutator combos as svars. That way a server admin could REALLY customize how they want mutators to be/not to be used.

Funny thing is, I was contemplating this very thing yesterday while I was creating the multi mutator again. It'd actually be quite easy with the way I've already set up the mutual exclusivity of modes and mutators (the tough part would be syncing this to the client correctly).

What's the difference between: "sv_varname" and "varname"? Are they simply aliases? Or do they represent something convoluted that I haven't noticed?

Server controlled items like this actually have two variables, one for the client and another for the server. The client just uses "varname", whereas the server uses "sv_varname", on connect (or when they are changed) the server sends the value to the client and the client updates its "varname". You basically only ever have to use the "sv_" variant when using them in "servexec.cfg" (as a standalone server wouldn't even have the client variant of the variable to modify). I hope that makes a sort-of sense.

[inpersona64]

This is why I try to create gameplay that supports teamplay, but being successful in it isn't required for victory (this is kinda why bomber-ball fails in pubs).

sad yet true..

[ZeroKnight]

Funny thing is, I was contemplating this very thing yesterday while I was creating the multi mutator again. It'd actually be quite easy with the way I've already set up the mutual exclusivity of modes and mutators (the tough part would be syncing this to the client correctly).

Oh, really? Well that's good to hear at least. I'm sure you'll be able to come up with some way to sync, assuming you decide to implement it :)

I hope that makes a sort-of sense.

Indeed it did, thank you :)

[qreeves]

So we all happy to just leave it so they can't be combined and close this poll?

[inpersona64]

So we all happy to just leave it so they can't be combined and close this poll?

+1

[LuckyStrike-Rx]

+2

[TheLastProject]

So we all happy to just leave it so they can't be combined and close this poll?

Yes, I believe we are.

[ZeroKnight]

So we all happy to just leave it so they can't be combined and close this poll? :)

+3

[SpiritOfOnyx]

So we all happy to just leave it so they can't be combined and close this poll?

+4

After reading his entire thread because I'm sick and have nothing better to do, I immediately got an impression of an entire pack[?] of gorillas fighting over a single m&m

[ZeroKnight]

I don't recall seeing anyone fighting.

[Dan the Man]

Instagib + vampire would only be awesome if it also was + resize. But now in SVN we can't do instagib + vampire + resize anymore. I WANT THAT BACK
And besides, if its useless, nobody vote for it when voting for a new map. We don't have to remove it.

[inpersona64]

Instagib + vampire would only be awesome if it also was + resize. But now in SVN we can't do instagib + vampire + resize anymore. I WANT THAT BACK
And besides, if its useless, nobody vote for it when voting for a new map. We don't have to remove it.

Ah, one of the people from the group of 'vote +vampire&resize' with any gametype. ugh..exactly the reason it was removed lol