The Earth is flat

The Earth is flat

Postby Lyberta » 15 Sep 2021, 05:47

Dear Lyberta, please explain it to us, how Earth could be flat, when there are huge number of undeniable evidence (some dates several thousand years back) supporting that Earth is actually a globe? Why do you think that you know better than Eratoshtenes, Magellan, Verne etc.?


First of all, I don't believe anything that happened before I was born. So even the hoax of moon landing didn't happen (with Stanley Kubrick filming this, as you know). Nothing provable happened. Second, I only believe stuff that I see with my own eyes so I see a flat patch of land several kilometers in size where I could walk on foot, the rest I didn't explore so I don't have the reason to believe anything beyond that patch of land exists. The rest I see is a shiny bit in the sky called "the sun" which I have no idea what it is but it's shiny. There are also small white bits in the sky which people call starts but I have no evidence that they are anything beyond being shiny bits in the sky.

The evidence against science is vast though:
Children are tortured with science in school, therefore science is fake and a system of oppression by government.
Students are tortured with science in college, therefore science is fake and a system of oppression by government.
Some jobs are based on science, therefore science is fake and a system of oppression by government and capitalism.
Medicine is based on science, therefore science is fake and used to facilitate rape, including child rape, torture and murder.
Psychiatry is allegedly based on science, therefore science is fake, a system of oppression by government and is used to facilitate Holocaust of minorities and especially neurodivergent people.
My father was PhD and he raped me for 11 years straight, therefore science is a conspiracy to commit child rape and all scientists are child rapists.

So yeah, science is fake, a system of oppression by government and science is used to facilitate rape, child rape, torture, murder and Holocaust of minorities and especially neurodivergent people. And that's just based on my personal life experience. I'm pretty sure the list of crimes committed by science is much longer. I just don't know it yet.

So, do you really think I will believe those scientists - those child rapists, torturers, murderers and Holocausters - that the Earth is round?
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Re: The Earth is flat

Postby bzt » 15 Sep 2021, 14:16

I don't want to cause trouble to Julius, so this is going to be my one and only response.

Lyberta {l Wrote}:I only believe stuff that I see with my own eyes
Go somewhere where you can see the plain horizon (a big plain or seashore or something like that). Lay down on the ground, and watch the Sun as it disappears under the horizon. Now stand up and watch the sunset again. You can easily see with your own eyes that Earth has a curvature, because on a flat Earth you wouldn't be able to see the same sunset twice.

Lyberta {l Wrote}:So yeah, science is fake, a system of oppression by government
You do know that governments are against science, right? For example the previous president of the United States denied global warming and declared war on scientists saying otherwise. Or do you know how Chinese gov persecuted the doctor trying to warn about the COVID, and replaced science with propaganda? Or how Putin forces politics on schools too in Russia? All these happened in your lifetime.

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Re: The Earth is flat

Postby Lyberta » 15 Sep 2021, 15:22

bzt {l Wrote}:Go somewhere where you can see the plain horizon (a big plain or seashore or something like that). Lay down on the ground, and watch the Sun as it disappears under the horizon. Now stand up and watch the sunset again. You can easily see with your own eyes that Earth has a curvature, because on a flat Earth you wouldn't be able to see the same sunset twice.


Well, if I ever be in a such place at such time, I will do it and see the results. Though considering that getting up from bed and going to the toilet is already traumatic and is about the limit of my ability to travel, it's very unlikely that I will get any chance to do any of suggestions in the next 5-10 years or at all.

bzt {l Wrote}:You do know that governments are against science, right? For example the previous president of the United States denied global warming and declared war on scientists saying otherwise. Or do you know how Chinese gov persecuted the doctor trying to warn about the COVID, and replaced science with propaganda? Or how Putin forces politics on schools too in Russia? All these happened in your lifetime.


Then why bother with compulsory education at all? Have a bunch of loyal educated people and have factories full of robots. There, people are uneducated and happy while you're in the power. I do remember my own school (1997-2007) as a bunch of useless torture and propaganda so they're already putting tons of propaganda there.
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Re: The Earth is flat

Postby drummyfish » 16 Sep 2021, 17:10

I'm not a flat Earther per se but people who religiously defend the idea that Earth is round (and by extension any "scientific consensus") are no better than flat Earthers. The internet atheists, Neil De Grass Tyson fans, pro vaccinators and others are no different from indoctrinated religious fundamentalists -- true science means questioning everything, and everything here means everything. What's called "science" nowadays is actually not a science, it's yet another business in which profit is the highest and only priority, a priority that precedes truth, wellbeing of people, ethics etc. Sponsored research, bribing reviews, selective publishing, hacking P values and even downright fabricating results are common practice. You need to stay critical towards every single thing presented as a fact.

It's funny how people orgasm at stories of Einstein and other scientists who went against conventions and discovered huge things by questioning what other didn't dare to question, yet they mock and bully ordinary people who think the same way.
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Re: The Earth is flat

Postby Julius » 16 Sep 2021, 19:53

There are well established scientific facts like the earth being round, that have been well know by humans for thousands of years and as bzt already explained are easy enough to check yourself.

I don't disagree that it is good to question certain assumptions and ideas presented as facts, but there is a limit to how basic physics can be questioned and doing so only serves those peddling mis-information.
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