Nina Paley is a TERF

Nina Paley is a TERF

Postby Lyberta » 29 Apr 2021, 15:34

Oh wow, even if I quit free software/free culture movement, I still remember Nina Paley as one of the leading Free Culture activists. So I was kinda shocked to discover this today. Yikes. It's a shame that such notable people in Free Culture/Software movements sabotage their movements by treating vulnerable minorities as subhuman.

Thankfully, her Wikipedia page helpfully notes:
Paley describes herself as gender critical and writes often about the topic on her blog and social media.


Where "gender critical" helpfully redirects to TERF. So that people can quickly discover that and reject her and her activism.

Kinda ironic how Richard Stallman says that "freedom is not about the money" therefore sentencing software developers like me to death by starvation and Nina Paley saying that "copying is not theft" and "free art is important" while calling trans people like me freaks, subhuman and sexual predators. And then you wonder why almost nobody cares about Linux and Disney is the biggest media conglomerate in the human history.
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Re: Nina Paley is a TERF

Postby rogerdv » 30 Apr 2021, 16:49

The persons we admire are not perfect. The great politicians, the actors, the famous writers. You have to learn to separate their work from the person. Unless, fo course, that their behaviour affects their work.
I had a bad experience with an LGBT activist I admire since years ago, that I met personally a couple of times. She has become more and more radical lately and now her arguments start with "you are a racist and machista". A month ago I replied to her that inclusive language is not going to solve problem (Im a writer, I respect and defend my native language), and what we really need is education. Maybe some people is lost, but we still can save new generations and educated them in tolerance. She replied me that wasnt going to discuss with a male supremacist like me. WTF! You met me a couple of times, I expect you to know me a bit better than that. More than offended, I was deeply hurt and dissapointed.
So yes, expect that the people you admire will fail to meet your standards in some cases.
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Re: Nina Paley is a TERF

Postby Lyberta » 18 May 2021, 07:16

rogerdv {l Wrote}:You have to learn to separate their work from the person.


Have you ever seen a person whose brain works this way? Here's how my brain works:

Richard Stallman said that Epstein victims were entirely willing. I mean a news article said that, I don't read past the titles. Anyway, therefore, Richard Stallman is a child rapist.
Richard Stallman is a child rapist. Richard Stallman is a free software supporter. Therefore, all free software supporters are child rapists.
Nina Paley made a video named "Copying is not Theft". Nina Paley is a TERF. Therefore, copying is theft.
Nina Paley is a TERF. Nina Paley is a free culture supporter. Therefore, all free culture supporters are TERFs.

Yay, another victory for logic.

rogerdv {l Wrote}:I had a bad experience with an LGBT activist I admire since years ago, that I met personally a couple of times. She has become more and more radical lately and now her arguments start with "you are a racist and machista".


I totally understand her. It's basic human psychology. The more you're traumatized by something, the more you hate it and try to stay away from it. And since she still has mental capacity to name specific complaints, she seems to have been traumatized by men in a certain way. Myself, I have been traumatized by men so much that my logic is simply "ALL MEN = BAD". And I'm not LGBT activist or a feminist, I'm just misandrist.

Also, more on the topic of this forum, several months ago I quit both free software movement and programming, can you guess one of the reasons?

Dennis Richie. Co-creator of C and UNIX. A man.
Bjarne Stroustoup. Creator of C++. A man.
Linus Torvalds. Creator of Linux and Git. A man.
Richard Stallman. Founder of the free software movement. A man.
Eric S Raymond. Co-founder of the open source movement. A man.

Yep. For a woman or a non-binary person it is a basic self-care to stay away from IT/programming as far away as possible. Now, if there would be a programming language created by a woman that had implementation's license prohibiting its use by men...
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