Mental health and stuff

Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby freemedia2018 » 06 Aug 2019, 18:17

Ntech {l Wrote}:Remember that the U.S. has free-speech laws.


I don't think there is any need for these people to bother Lyberta, and I'm a staunch free speech advocate, but U.S. free speech laws don't apply to this category.

You can say a lot of things, but there are exceptions. Recently they tried to make a new exception for "hate speech." SCOTUS said such laws would run afoul of the 1st amendment. But the laws don't protect against open threats of violence. Nothing I've read should qualify as such IMO, but I figure I've only read part of the comments in question.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby drummyfish » 06 Aug 2019, 19:05

Ntech {l Wrote}:I don't think anything done online (at a forum, etc.) could get you arrested, unless it is to DDOS/hack them. Remember that the U.S. has free-speech laws.


Seriously? Tell that to Assange :)

Am also pretty sure posting child porn, large amounts of pirated material or even just death threats can very well get you arrested.

In the US police have special departments in which cops pretend to be underage girls on the Internet and flirt with random guys on chats, try to get them to arrange a meeting where they regularly arrest them. (Not kidding, that's what police in the US does because they can't fight actual crime because criminals simply hugely outnumber them, I've seen it in some French documentary.)
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby fluffrabbit » 06 Aug 2019, 20:44

The US and Russia are two completely different places. I don't see how, absent extradition arrangements, there is much inter-governmental cooperation.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Ntech » 07 Aug 2019, 13:54

drummyfish {l Wrote}:Seriously? Tell that to Assange :)

I believe the basis for his extradition was his leakage of classified information, not the act of posting the information itself.

drummyfish {l Wrote}:posting child porn, large amounts of pirated material or even just death threats can very well get you arrested.
True.

drummyfish {l Wrote}:In the US police have special departments in which cops pretend to be underage girls on the Internet and flirt with random guys on chats, try to get them to arrange a meeting where they regularly arrest them.
LOL. I wouldn't want to have to be one of those officers.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Lyberta » 09 Aug 2019, 22:36

fluffrabbit {l Wrote}:It sounds like you're a good fit for the FSB.


Funny, those are the exact guys who came for me.

Ntech {l Wrote}:Police involvement? I don't think anything done online (at a forum, etc.) could get you arrested, unless it is to DDOS/hack them. Remember that the U.S. has free-speech laws.


Death threats. Article 119 of Criminal Code of Russia. Up to 2 years in prison.

Also, US Free Speech is actually a very narrow thing.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby fluffrabbit » 09 Aug 2019, 22:53

Gotta love Russia with their consolidated intelligence and police. Oh, but they're a free country. Just like America.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Lyberta » 09 Aug 2019, 23:15

fluffrabbit {l Wrote}:Gotta love Russia with their consolidated intelligence and police. Oh, but they're a free country. Just like America.


It was a US citizen who contacted US police. Again, John Sullivan -> US police -> US embassy in Russia -> FSB.

Myself, I try to avoid Russian sites at all costs. Not much because of fear of police but because of general toxicity of people there and lack of any meaningful content.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby fluffrabbit » 09 Aug 2019, 23:27

You take it for granted that the FSB respects American police, but you really shouldn't. I see it as a sign of Russian weakness, as the Soviet Union would have told any foreign government to F off.

I can't speak for Russian websites as I can't speak or read Russian, but I would probably avoid them for the same reasons.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Julius » 15 Aug 2019, 21:04

Lyberta {l Wrote}: I'm a tranny. What do I do? The entire political spectrum hates me.


Stop thinking of the political spectrum as only left and right :shock:

Oh and I deleted your original post as we are serious about the "no more of the death treats to unspecified persons" warning we gave you :!:
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Jastiv » 15 Aug 2019, 21:57

I'm a libertarian, and I have been mostly ignoring politics. Its awful with all the authoritarians talking about what rights they want to take away.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby freemedia2018 » 16 Aug 2019, 05:11

Jastiv {l Wrote}:I'm a libertarian, and I have been mostly ignoring politics. Its awful with all the authoritarians talking about what rights they want to take away.


Same here. If you find me having a bad day, it's probably after listening to people whinge all the time about how they won't make exceptions to basic fundamental rights for idiot reason du jour. Sickening. Don't people read? No, I know...
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Lyberta » 17 Aug 2019, 00:42

So yesterday after being misgendered and deadnamed by my sister-in-law and my father I decided to live in the kitchen because all women must live in the kitchen, right? Didn't work though, there is no place to put bed so I would have had to sleep on the floor. So I just sat on the floor until my wife pulled me out.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby fluffrabbit » 17 Aug 2019, 05:24

Well that's depressing. I'm fighting my own battles with platform holders, so I kinda get how you feel. I keep checking back on these forums hoping for a collaborative project I'd be interested in, but it's all either copyleft, uses some high-level framework, or doesn't compile properly, so I always return to my kitchen for coffee and oatmeal. drummyfish's small3dlib lifts the mood like nothing else, but I'm afraid of giving away code to 3D stuff since that seems to be a selling point for commercial stuff. Ah, well. Another thread on another day and I'm sure we'll all feel a lot better.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby drummyfish » 17 Aug 2019, 16:38

fluffrabbit {l Wrote}:drummyfish's small3dlib lifts the mood


Very glad to read this, I'll focus on making more stuff like this, I promise :)

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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby fluffrabbit » 17 Aug 2019, 17:52

drummyfish {l Wrote}:
fluffrabbit {l Wrote}:drummyfish's small3dlib lifts the mood
Very glad to read this, I'll focus on making more stuff like this, I promise :)

Like that, sure, but small3dlib specifically is intensely interesting. The novelty of perspective-incorrect texture mapping in an STB-style library that works with raw pixels (and on embedded systems) is something very, very interesting. Sorry to sidetrack the thread, anyhow.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Lyberta » 05 Oct 2019, 00:06

I cut myself again. After that my wife has dumped all razor blades from flat. Knives don't work, at least much worse than blades. Now I'm thinking of hanging myself... What do I do?
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Julius » 05 Oct 2019, 00:24

Obviously not hang yourself :(

I can't give you real advise for your apparently complicated life, but have you considered taking up a handicraft? Some non-computer related hobby that involves some somewhat physical activity? Maybe knitting or something like that? May sound stupid at first, but these things can be surprisingly gratifying.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby DrAltaica » 05 Oct 2019, 07:18

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drummyfish {l Wrote}:posting child porn, large amounts of pirated material or even just death threats can very well get you arrested.

THat's a Bunh I bull shit bigets shove down our throats to justify their bigotry. Child porn isn't illegal(in any civilized part of the world at lest)
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby charlie » 18 Oct 2019, 15:00

Child porn isn't illegal(in any civilized part of the world at lest)

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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Lyberta » 28 Nov 2019, 03:47

Urhrhrhhhhhhh. Been a very rough year. My mother died, I learned that having loving wife doesn't magically cancel my mental disability, troubles with police, self-harm... Sheeet. But!

It was time to renew my legal disability paperwork. I had to do that every 2 years. Long story short: I REGAINED LEGAL RIGHT TO WORK!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO

But there are many other things. Like previously I had the highest level of disability which means I must always have legal guardian near me so and my parents became it by default. So if my parents would die and I don't have another legal guardian, the government becomes legal guardian and they would just put me in psychiatric facility to rot and die. So every so often I'd imagine police chainsawing my door off, putting a handcuffs on me and dragging me in that place to die. Like my life is over. There is no hope.... BUT NOW THERE IS!!! Holy fuck, it's so liberating not expecting police at your door at every moment. Or not feeling like a piece of shit just because government said I am a piece of shit.

So now maybe I'm gonna find some way to earn money and be able to buy food with my own money. Holy shit, can you imagine? Not having to deal with transphobic parents parent just to have money to buy food? Like, being able to live independently? Well, I'm still fucked but there is hope.

A love can't solve all the problems but a loving wife who can shield you from your parents, can make you lower your disability and regain legal right to work.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby GunChleoc » 28 Nov 2019, 17:57

Congratulations and I hope you find a decent job.

Also glad to hear about your wife supporting you - maybe you could apply to the courts to have her become your guardian when you parents can't do it any more?
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Wuzzy » 29 Nov 2019, 01:15

Oh, you had legal guardians? Wow, that is terrible.

For those who don't really understand what that means: https://invidio.us/watch?v=nG2pEffLEJo
If you want to lose faith in humanity, also watch: https://invidio.us/watch?v=vfqf4LqwSVo
The videos are US-specific, but similar systems exist in other countries, with similar problems.

Basically, legal guardianship turns those subject to it into slaves (practically speaking) and the guardians are your masters; the victims in this system lose many freedoms. For example, you may have no control over your money anymore, almost everything, even very mundane tasks such as “buying stuff” is not legally possible without approval of your guardian, etc. It's a horrible, antiquated, abusive, unfair system that treats you like dirt and is a breeding ground for abusive guardians. It's often very hard to escape, even if you did nothing wrong and can proof it. This is a system that should have died a long time ago.

Anyway, Lyberta, I'm glad to hear you have escaped this situation. I suggest you talk to a lawyer to figure out how to protect yourself from losing your freedom ever again in the future. Or just do a bit of your own general research (if you haven't already) about how the system works (and how protect yourself). Just because you are (relatively) free now does not mean it will stay forever. I would also suggest to avoid psychiatrists.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby GunChleoc » 30 Nov 2019, 13:06

Well, it depends. It is of course a huge problem if abused. On the other hand, some people just need help, like this old guy they kept conning into signing up for any kind of magazine subscription under the sun and he ended up being in debt. After he got a legal guardian, any such new contracts would be null and void without the guardians consent, and lo and behold, no more debt.

So, I agree that what legal guardians are allowed to do needs to be constricted very narrowly by the courts and reevaluated regularly to prevent abuse.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Lyberta » 01 Dec 2019, 05:45

Wuzzy {l Wrote}:Basically, legal guardianship turns those subject to it into slaves (practically speaking) and the guardians are your masters; the victims in this system lose many freedoms. For example, you may have no control over your money anymore, almost everything, even very mundane tasks such as “buying stuff” is not legally possible without approval of your guardian, etc. It's a horrible, antiquated, abusive, unfair system that treats you like dirt and is a breeding ground for abusive guardians. It's often very hard to escape, even if you did nothing wrong and can proof it. This is a system that should have died a long time ago.


What about parental rights? Parental rights are the same. Your parents just gonna abuse you, drive you to suicide attempts, blame you for suicide attempts and then gonna put you in psychiatric hospital, pronounce you mentally disabled and become slave owners for life.

How many people managed to run away from their parents, stay homeless, work illegally because they are underage only to survive until 18 years old? The rest of use have 2 options: either kill ourselves or live with CPTSD and then kill ourselves. There is no escape from parents. They must kill you, they must abuse you, they are created as manifestation of absolute suffering. The only reason parents make children is because they need slaves to abuse and kill. There is no other way.
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Re: Mental health and stuff

Postby Julius » 01 Dec 2019, 12:29

Moderator notice: I have locked this now as this topic has run it's course. But great to hear that there is some light at the end of the tunnel for Lyberta's difficult personal situation.
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