Julius {l Wrote}:Why do you think it is necessary
Oh, necessary! No no, if I thought an anticap free software org was necessary, I would probably be anticap myself.
I merely think it would help.
Isn't the GPL / copyleft already pretty anti-capitalist by itself?
It certainly isn't intended to be. There's a nice clip of ESR (libertarian) saying it makes him "really, really angry" when people associate free software with communism. I realise that people draw parallels, but they're not very well drawn.
many disadvantages of splitting off such a sub-group from the Free Software movement.
That's kind of a topic all its own. I'm happy to talk about that here, or in another thread, but I want to be clear I'm talking about a separate organisation, not a separate movement. It's an important distinction when you consider how many free software (not "open source") organisations there are already: SFLC, Dyne, SFC, various FSF chapters, and so on.
I am regularly pushing for the FSF to adopt certain strategies to meet the challenges created by modern threats to free software. I am hoping for them to expand on what they do-- not change their core values. (Open source routinely asks them to compromise their core values. I think that's a ridiculous expectation that would only hurt the FSF.)
One of the more prominent free software developers (I won't name names but you've heard of him, or his project, for sure) says that it would "go beyond" the FSF's mission to do these things. While I don't agree with that argument, he insists it would be better to create *another organisation* for those additional values-- including for example, promoting free software along with free culture.
This is as close as I've gotten to an official (it's not official) endorsement (it's not an endorsement) from the FSF to create a combined free software / free culture organisation.
I suspect if it were that bad an idea, they would discourage that as well. But again, this was nothing official.
Lyberta {l Wrote}:Fascism is the only answer.
This was sarcasm, right? That's alright, I don't you know but I've made it through some very bad times in my life, I hope yours improves very soon. All the best.
As to why I think it would help--
I'm busy helping people manage a LOT of information about Open Source crumbling-- I was many years ago, an open source advocate originally. I became (and I am) a free software advocate, and former FSF member.
They are the most important free software organisation, but I have several concerns about their future. Engineers abhor a single point of failure-- Open Source IMO is less of a backup plan, and more of a decoy. But a backup plan (perhaps something federated, but this is not about online social networks) IMO is needed.
When free software already had anticaps in it, there's no reason for them not to have an organisation. They are not confined to it after all, I have focused for quite some time on outreach-- I do not only work within an organisation, but I work to create collaboration between different groups with their own different (and overlapping) goals.
It's what we do anyway, this would just have more of it.
drummyfish {l Wrote}:Peaceful anarchist free software movement is exactly what I've proposed in another thread.
Organizations are okay with anarchism as long as they don't create social hierarchy. I'd love to see such an organization brought to life and would definitely join. As an imaginary member of that organization I'd also be open to collaboration with other organizations :)
You may consider this thread all yours-- I started it, but I did so based on your comment on that thread with hopes that we could discuss it further (even in practical terms) without taking that thread over with talk of your ideas about an organisation.
Any ideas you have about that are not merely welcome here, they are indeed the point. Without your input, the idea will likely have no legs to speak of.