URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 11 Jun 2018, 21:06

If you live in the EU, there is VERY soon (20 June 2018) a vote in the EU Parliament going on about a new EU Copyright Directive.
It might have huge implications and has some really nasty articles in it.

Other people can explain far better than me what is currently going on in the EU.
Please spread the word!

Media:
https://boingboing.net/2018/06/07/thanks-axel-voss.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44412025
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/06/e ... -wikipedia

ComputingForever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvXOfq3AB8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwR34cT1grw

Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive ... gle_Market

Original proposal text (direct attention towards articles 11 and 13):
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 93&from=EN
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 12 Jun 2018, 09:22

Well, I guess the world is doomed. Welcome to infinite copyright with Orwellian practices defending it.

Stallman was so right.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby O01eg » 12 Jun 2018, 16:09

Good thing is EU will be destroyed by barbarians it's importing.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 12 Jun 2018, 16:54

Doom, gloom and Russian trolling ;) Please keep it civil or this thread will get locked very quickly :p

My personal take on it... typical EU lobby driven drafts. They always try to pull that s*** and hope some of it will somehow make it into national law. It's right to be concerned, but no reason for doom and gloom. Same story as always...
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 12 Jun 2018, 17:49

Julius {l Wrote}:It's right to be concerned, but no reason for doom and gloom. Same story as always...


You do understand that 99.9% of all of humanity creations are proprietary and will stay proprietary until the death of humanity? How are you supposed to create, to teach and to learn in this world?
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 13 Jun 2018, 02:18

Nothing is stopping you to create something new.

The reality is also that approx. 75% of the world's population doesn't care much about (our) copyright and we in the so called west are just making ourselves obsolete with stupid rules like the above. This is not doom and gloom by the way... I see that as the natural progression of civilization and contrary to 001eg I think we can only benefit from getting a reality check by the "barbarians".
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 13 Jun 2018, 15:32

Julis, you are downplaying this a lot. For those who live in the EU, this matters a lot.
Instead of downplaying, post facts. So far you only gave opinion.

Over 169 copyright scholars and professors (!) wrote an open letter opposing this legislation. Yes, it's that bad.
https://nexa.polito.it/academics-agains ... ignatories

The academic community is virtually unanimous in its opposition to the European Commission’s proposal for a press publishers right. We commend to you the previous critical interventions from Bently et al, Danbury, the European Copyright Society, Geiger et al, the Max Planck Institute, Peukert, van Eechoud, and the Study conducted by Bently, Kretschmer et al for the JURI Committee in September 2017.


It has been suggested that the right will prevent the re-use of snippets from, and hyperlinks to, publicly available websites. If these claims turn out to be true, the new right will also harm freedom of expression and freedom of art, and impede innovation.


Also, there's now a podcast about this topic:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180 ... osal.shtml
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 14 Jun 2018, 13:55

Julius {l Wrote}:Nothing is stopping you to create something new.


You do understand that 99.99999% of all creations are derivative?
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 15 Jun 2018, 02:19

Sure, I understand that theoretically we are all standing on the shoulders of giants and that thus copyright is mostly just a silly idea, but in practical terms there is plenty of room to create new works. This is because the theoretical derivativeness of a work can be so "dilluted" and obscured that any copyright claim is unenforcable. And contrary to the intuition that indefinite copyright would make this more and more difficult, I am pretty sure the opposite will be the case with copyright sort of suffucating on itself with more and more theoretical claims becoming unenforcable and thus void.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 15 Jun 2018, 03:42

We are just lucky that there is still escape hatch such as GNU/Linux, GCC, a few IDEs and build tools. If people give up maintaining them, there will be no way to maintain minimal freedom.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 20 Jun 2018, 13:40

Well, fuck:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/de/p ... igital-age

Note that this is an official statement, don't expect to see criticism here. ;)

It's not completely over yet, the European Parliament still needs to give its OK so this might be the final chance to stop it. However, the Parliament rarely votes against the committee.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Lyberta » 21 Jun 2018, 09:51

I think we need an AdBlock list of all sites that participate in this bullshit. We need to drive them bankrupt. The "fair pay" for the shit "content creators" produce deserves negative amount of money e.g. they need to pay me for the hard work of consuming their shit.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Julius » 05 Jul 2018, 13:45

https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1014814460488413185

Looks like there is another chance to reduce the lobby influence on this.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 05 Jul 2018, 22:11

Yes, good news. But notice how close the result was. It was quite close.

Further reading:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180 ... -now.shtml
https://edri.org/press-release-eu-parli ... directive/
https://torrentfreak.com/eu-parliament- ... rd-180705/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/0 ... ight_vote/
https://boingboing.net/2018/07/05/europ ... ts-co.html

PHEW!

The fight is not over yet. Probably in September or so, the EU Parliament will have another vote.
This is more than enough time to make clear that mandatory upload filters and a special ultra-restrictive right for snippets from news articles (a.k.a. “link tax”) can not be tolerated.

I cannot stress enough how extremely important this is to everyone who does anything on the Internet. If you live in the EU, you have to speak up against this crap, in your own interest.

If you are still confused by all this and don't understand what is happening, the MEP Julia Reda explains this in great detail:
https://juliareda.eu/2018/06/article-11-13-vote/

Neutral article on this topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive ... gle_Market
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 23 Aug 2018, 22:04

On September 12, the EU parliament will have another vote and decide how to proceed.

On August 26, several demonstrations have been planned in cities across the EU.

Map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/co ... 107/12.964
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 28 Aug 2018, 12:23

Bad news, everyone. These demonstrations were a complete and utter desaster. Reports suggest visitor numbers not higher than 300 in all of Germany. 150 tops in Berlin. There are no numbers for other countries, it's possible there really was no one there.
That's laughable compared to the huge anti-ACTA demonstrations a while ago.

EU politicians will notice this. This is a huge deal. A common theme among the proponents of censorship is now to just claim the opposition is just all fake. This is just fuel for this lie. What's worse, almost no journalist seems to be questioning this lie (and other ones), which will skew opinion in favor of Article 11+13.
The oppositoin is not fake, the opposition is real (see links above).

TBH, I find it hard to believe that nobody is against this since the subject matter is about as explosive as ACTA. Those who were against ACTA will probably also be against Article 11 and 13.

My hypothesis is that the demonstrations were just very poorly announced. Apparently someone just placed a website somewhere and thought that's how you start a EU-wide demonstrations. :D There were only a VERY few places in the Internet where I saw this map. It's not really a big surprise, then. :(

There is now a real and serious danger of this EU Copyright Directive crap to pass. If a wonder is not being done very soon, this shit could actually pass through parliament. The next vote is due on September 12.

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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby O01eg » 28 Aug 2018, 19:12

Do you have a anti-copyright political groups here? Currently many right-wings are banned and censored by copyright monopolies like Google, Apple and Microsoft. Maybe you could ensure them to protest against this law as it gives those monopolies more and more power.
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby O01eg » 12 Sep 2018, 20:17

Looks like it was accepted: https://gab.ai/a/posts/34945944
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Re: URGENT: EU Copyright Directive Update

Postby Wuzzy » 14 Sep 2018, 12:51

Yes, it's true. :(
Both upload filters and the “link tax” were accepted by the parliament with only minor changes.
Technically, the process is not over yet, now the “negotiations” go into the trilogue in Spring 2019, but given that the commission, the member states and the parliament are all for these rules (i.e. anti-freedom), it's more a technicality than anything else.

Note it's a directive and not in force yet. The EU member states still have to adopt it into real law. That might still give us a couple of months to adopt to the new reality.

I wonder if webforums like this one will be affected by this. Since you can technically “upload texts”. Websites like OpenGameArt will almost certainly affected, as upload filters are a direct attack on them. Unless they not EU-based.

Sadly, it's not a big surprise, given the protests on the streets were really tiny. The anti-ACTA protests were huge. Although this crap could be probably called ACTA 2.0.

The fact that the “link tax” was adopted is especially infuriating. We know for a fact that it doesn't earn publishers any money, so the main argument for it is already bullshit, it has been tried and failed in Germany and Spain. That's not just anti-freedom, that's also anti fact-based policy-making.

It's nice to see that Gab founder basically instantly announced to fight back.
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