Creatures to be used, current state - Help appreciated

Creatures to be used, current state - Help appreciated

Postby Danimal » 23 Jun 2014, 12:24

Some of you have raised the issue of how little guidance we have regarding the creature models, and its true that we are making do with what we have. So ill appreciate any help you can contribute on what ill expose:

The basic guidelines to creatures are here:
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=1387

Of those:

Heroes/Humans:
Adventurer- done
Dwarf (advanced blacksmith)- done
Defender - done
can be replaced/added:
Wisp - http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/67196 (replaced by familiar/small dragon, its an scout weak unit)
Wizard - http://opengameart.org/content/wizard-4 (minus sword)

Barbarian - http://opengameart.org/content/rigged-t ... -barbarian (Needs retopo and a lot of work, migth not be worth the effort)
Fairy - http://opengameart.org/content/goth-female-fleur-du-mal (if we add wings)

That left us with a few others that are also good to be included but are not on list:
Executioner - http://opengameart.org/content/rigged-t ... xecutioner
Pirate - http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/74104
Bounty hunter - http://ancientbeast.com/units/#Bounty_Hunter
Nobleman - http://opengameart.org/content/undead-male

And mising this ones:
Digger Dwarf, Knight, Paladin, King, Construct, Cleric (there is a concept for him), Church maiden, Archer, Human blacksmith, Angel; Halfling and guard dog (these two can be discarded)

The current knigth and dwarfs are so low poly that hurt my eyes, wizard is passable.

Monsters:

Of those:
Tentacle - Done (to be renamed to something like Leech)
Lizard man - Done
Cave hornet - done
Scarab - done
Spider - done
Troll - done
Goblin - done
Orc - Done (possible candidate to replacement in favor or something more beastly?)


can be replaced/added:
Swamp pup - http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/45551
Necrofague/zombie - http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/20658
Roach - http://opengameart.org/content/beast-02 (with some skin reworking)
Wivern - http://ancientbeast.com/units/#Golden_Wyrm

good to be included but are not on list:
Zombie - http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/4807
Zombie 2? - http://opengameart.org/content/night-demon

And this others in different states:
Kreature/dragon/Pit demon/kobold/goblin - too low poly, need new models
Skeleton/lamia/cultist - Work in progress by me
Bone golem/Bandit/Dark elf/Hephestos - exists only in concept

Missing ones:
Imp(small devil), goblin inventor, warlock, wraith, dark knigth

Personal preferences from ancient beast:
Miss Creeper - http://ancientbeast.com/units/#Miss_Creeper
Uncle fungus - http://ancientbeast.com/units/#Uncle_Fungus (as swamp pup evolution a stinky creature like the vile demon)
Marauder - http://ancientbeast.com/units/#Marauder
Magma Spawn - http://ancientbeast.com/units/#Magma_Spawn
Metal face - http://ancientbeast.com/units/#Metal_Face
Sarcophag - http://ancientbeast.com/units/#Sarcophag

As you can see, we barely have any heroes models and the monster side has more integrated ones but a lot need better models. the good is that we can fill gaps with the ones from Ancient Beast
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Re: Creatures to be used, current state - Help appreciated

Postby paul424 » 23 Jun 2014, 22:32

https://wuala.com/AncientBeast/units
Sorry I don't want to appear dumb :), but for those who don't know : AncientBeast has it's models in blender file format !!!! ( just learned that on IRC, from DreadKnight :) ) , and in the link above in most of the folders there are models , though not all complete all high-polly ...
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Postby Danimal » 03 Aug 2014, 23:48

We got some job done for us:

http://opengameart.org/content/uncle-fungus
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Postby Danimal » 17 Aug 2014, 13:22

I see some nice things in there; do you guys like any of them?

http://wiki.unvanquished.net/index.php?title=Aliens
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Postby Bertram » 18 Aug 2014, 09:38

I do like the marauder. It would look good as an advanced spider or a special monster.
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Postby hwoarangmy » 18 Aug 2014, 11:38

I don't like the Granger but the others are ok. They may be a little bit too similar but we could add one of them and maybe use the others as special units. But they look pretty nice.
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Postby Danimal » 18 Aug 2014, 11:51

I dropped on their chat yesterday, using them will be a spiky bussiness; they are holding onto the .blend sources and only giving permission to reconvert the .md5 they provide with the game; at least they provide a iqm converter. so : md5 -> iq -> blend
I dont know what the result of so many conversions will be, gotta try anaways.

They ones i would include would be:
Dretch - as current spider subtitute
Marauder - Kreatur (thing with many arms) subtitute
Tyrant - as an uber creature, the kind you can only have a few ingame (its over 9000 polys!!!)
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Postby Akien » 18 Aug 2014, 12:17

What is the license for those assets? I don't see why they would not share the .blend files if it's CC By-SA. If it's something else such as CC By-ND, we should refrain from using it.
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Postby Danimal » 18 Aug 2014, 12:27

They are cc-by-sa and some NC (non commercial); they have no real reason nor excuse not to share them, i couldnt convince them to give these models; which they store on some dev computer or i would have sacked their online repository already.
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Postby Akien » 18 Aug 2014, 12:38

Danimal {l Wrote}:They are cc-by-sa and some NC (non commercial); they have no real reason nor excuse not to share them, i couldnt convince them to give these models; which they store on some dev computer or i would have sacked their online repository already.

Sounds quite messy :-/
I would advise against using CC by-NC-SA assets as much as possible. The NC clause makes it nonfree for the FSF, and most distributors will consider the same (as was already discussed at a length on another subforum here).
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Postby Bertram » 18 Aug 2014, 13:22

Yeah, unfortunately, NC means no-go for Debian and such AFAIK.
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Postby Danimal » 18 Aug 2014, 14:14

In that case its better we forget this althogeter since they dont clarify what has which license, their models can be used as reference for or own later
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Postby Dread Knight » 21 Aug 2014, 21:22

Nice to see that quite a few of the Ancient Beast models are planned for OD. In the near future I'll start putting more work on the second set of units so there will be more to choose from.
Will probably also make a showcase page containing different games that have quite a few AB units in them.
AncientBeast.com - Battle other players by materializing and controlling awesome creatures, each having unique abilities!
FM Patreon page - Support the free open source game development foundation and creation of high quality free assets!
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Re: Creatures to be used, current state - Help appreciated

Postby Danimal » 22 Aug 2014, 00:10

hi Dread Knight, i feel very ashamed that i told you i would work on AB models and i havent done barely nothing; i decided to work on room models being a lot more simple and more urgent than new models, not to mention real life demanding it toll on me.
Im happy that Piacenti has taken on completing them, hes an amazing texturer, and ill keep on it when i can in the future.
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Postby Danimal » 09 Sep 2014, 15:25

Piacenti textured some of ancient beast models plus two of his own, im leaving them here as reference since they will mostly be included in OD:

http://opengameart.org/content/lava-spawn
http://opengameart.org/content/shroom
http://opengameart.org/content/uncle-fungus
http://opengameart.org/content/angler-man-3d
http://opengameart.org/content/white-death

It got me thinking, shouldnt we get a creature to be the project pet? Just like horny, vile demon, dark mistress and imps were (mainly horned reaper) we could have a cool creature and others for comic relief (Swamp pup?, kobold?)
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Postby Danimal » 12 Sep 2014, 14:18

Can you guys make something out of this model license? can we use it if we modify it?

http://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-models/ ... b-comments
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Postby Akien » 12 Sep 2014, 15:58

Danimal {l Wrote}:Can you guys make something out of this model license? can we use it if we modify it?

http://www.cgtrader.com/free-3d-models/ ... b-comments

Nope, this is a very strict license which enforces the production of proprietary content. Basically the model is nonfree, you can't edit it or whatever, but you are allowed to use it as an "incorporated product". This would apply to OD as per these terms:
2.2. The Buyer’s license to Product in this paragraph is strictly limited to Incorporated Product. Any use or republication, including sale or distribution of Product that is not Incorporated Product is strictly prohibited. For illustration, approved distribution or use of Product as Incorporated Product includes, but is not limited to: [...]
(2) as purchased by a game’s creators as part of a game if the Product is contained inside a proprietary format and displays inside the game during play, but not for users to re-package as goods distributed or sold inside a virtual world;


We would have to distribute it under a proprietary format and prevent anyone from being able to access it. :-)

I've rarely seen such a free software-unfriendly license :-D
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Postby Danimal » 28 Sep 2014, 18:17

Update: photo on first post of which creatures i consider final. Im missing the lizarman source, thats why he is not in there
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Postby Bertram » 28 Sep 2014, 21:46

I love the picture (+ nice touch about the wall $ light source discretely shown behind them. ;])
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Postby Danimal » 11 Oct 2014, 18:08

Its a pity that we cant include a lot of creatures because of our lack of animator (im still useless), maybe we can do a drive in OGA asking for help?
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Postby Bertram » 13 Oct 2014, 08:46

Hey, :)

I'm all for a campaign for new models. Yet, before doing so, I'd like it to be clear that you would be one leading the campaign and taking the main decisions about models and graphic side of the game (like you already do.) People on OGA will look for someone answering their questions, and you might have to decline certain proposals.

On the technical side of things, AFAIK the thread doesn't tell about the average number of tris, the format, the license type needed for texture and models, and there is a link to the "not so final list of factions" and maybe this should be updated, made clearer what is to be done?

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Postby hwoarangmy » 13 Oct 2014, 21:30

They look nice. This wizard will be better for keepers ^^
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Postby Bertram » 13 Oct 2014, 22:00

Yep, all fine to me. :)
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Postby Danimal » 20 Oct 2014, 12:32

To replace the spider, which one do you guys prefer?

Black widow like: http://opengameart.org/content/low-poly-giant-spider
Jumper type: http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/26798
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