FreeGameDev

These are good lists to keep maintained:

• Complete open source games
• Complete casual open source games

I just added a few to the casual game list and added Globulation2 to the main list.

What genre is inside a star-filled sky? http://insideastarfilledsky.net/ ( http://hcsoftware.hg.sourceforge.net/hg ... re/game10/ )
SuperTuxKart probably fits in this list, doesn't it? Or is winning the grand prix not ... rewarding enough yet?

What level of completeness is required to fit on the list?

Inside a star filled sky is definitely a casual game.

STK absolutely belongs on the main game list.

Completeness. It must be playable start-to-finish (or for a full round if MP) pretty much as intended by the scope of the project. It does not need to be in its final form or totally polished, but it shouldn't be that a player gets from level 2 to 3 and the game goes from 1 style to being full of placeholders and TODOs appearing in the dialogs.

I'll add the two of them.

Please research the licenses of games before adding them though.

I'll also add Lugaru.

PS: and knights

Hmm would you add Really Rather Good Battles In Space with its, "short but relatively polished single player campaign"?

Never tried it.. I think I got annoyed with the talk sequence and didn't know how to control afterwards and didn't continue playing (or my machine was very slow perhaps, don't remember).


Does it ... *feel* complete?

Is story really a gameplay value? Giant companies like PopCap are able to make very professional games without any sort of real story at all.

Yeah, giant companies are also able to create very "professional" games without any gameplay value at all, so that's not really a valid argument ;)

I think there should be a list of incomplete games as well seeing as a selling point of FLOSS is that the community can pitch in/fork if the current state of a project isn't the most desirable.

A list of "open source games looking for help" or similar could be useful as well.

oln: I doubt anybody would like to maintain such a list.

Well, I still think the "significant amount of gameplay value" definition needs to be extended anyway. For example, I really think Pingus belongs to that list as it is really a well-made game with quite gameplay value and it seems we all agree about it because it is in that list, but under the current definition, it doesn't fit: It does not have a storyline, multiplayer or exploration.

Needs a better name though. "Pingus" just makes me think of that adventures of sonic the hedgehog meme.

oln: I just got reminded of http://openhatch.org/

one of the contributors describes it as "a community website for helping people find out what they can work on in open source"

What's with Frogatto, http://frogatto.com/ ?
It's a game with an open source engine, yet with non-free media; and it is complete (you can play it from start to an end) even though it's still under heavy development.

Crendgrim: I talked to the devs on irc a while ago and they said it was 25% done. I don't remember whether or not it was finishable. If it is, feel free to add it to the wiki (same login as forum)

Well, the storyline isn't finished yet AFAIK, but it is complete. As weird as it may sound, but you are able to play from start to end, and now they want to flesh out the middle part.
I was only asking because of the non-free media, but if that's okay I'll add it gladly to the Wiki.

I imagine a lot of open source projects fall into a category of being complete in the sense of "fully playable", but incomplete in the sense of "still under development" - e.g., FreeCiv is surely a complete game, but still being updated and worked on, I believe. I presume the intention is that such games are allowed on the list (else many open source games would never qualify! And even completed commercial games still get patch updates...).

Is it fine to go ahead and add details of our own games here, or is it better to post them here/on talk for someone else to add? (For myself, I'm thinking of Daleks 3D for the casual list, and Conquests for the main list since it's now (I hope!) in a fully playable state.)

What do you think about M.A.R.S. and Hedgewars?
They are full playable and a joy to play, but their version number indicates that they are not complete.

@oin: If you already have created such a need-help list, you can add Warmux. The project isn't far from being dead since most of the developers are gone.

Arbitrary version numbers don't really mean much. You could make something completly amazing but not think it worthy of 1.0 status because of a rare bug that wouldn't even be an issue for 99.9% of users or a minor option that isn't exposed for tweaking in the menus.

The lists' inclusion criteria do not stipulate for v1.0. The rules for inclusion are fairly clear (click on the 'See rules for this list' link in the opening paragraph on each page).

Complete games inclusion criteria {l Wrote}:Complete games must not have features missing, which are required to complete a game session, campaigns or multi-player matches. Single-player mode must have a start, an end and provide a reasonable amount of levels/gameplay. Multi-player mode must provide a reasonable amount of levels and game modes.

Casual games inclusion criteria {l Wrote}:Complete casual games must not have features missing, which are required to complete a game session. Single-player mode must have a start, an end and provide a reasonable amount of levels/gameplay. Multi-player mode must provide a reasonable amount of gameplay.

From that definition M.A.R.S. is not finished, since the multiplayer mode isn't.

OpenTTD isn't finished according to that definition either, although it is feature complete.

It is still being developed as the community manages to come up with all kinds of ideas.

Perhaps a good idea to change the definition of casual games a bit? A game needn't have an end in order to be done.

You are both wrong. You can play a game start to finish in both OpenTTD and M.A.R.S. It isn't both single player and multiplayer, it is single player or multiplayer.