charlie {l Wrote}:Also I think perpetual pre-1.0 development doesn't make much sense. STK long since passed the '1.0' milestone by 95% of software standards. It is played by thousands of people around the world daily, and has been stable for quite some time...My suggestion, move on from the legacy versioning. Take on a versioning scheme that represents the actual state of the game/development. I would re-release the "legacy" version (the last version supporting all the assets on stkaddons.net) as version 1.0. This would give a clean cut off point for players that enjoy the old tracks/karts and want to continue on with that experience.
charlie {l Wrote}:I think STK 0.8.2 is not a minor version bump (version numbering conventions tend towards Major dot Minor dot Fix). It represents a point at which a lot of old assets become obselete due to changing requirements, which is always a big hint that a game is evolving into another evolution/game.
Also I think perpetual pre-1.0 development doesn't make much sense. STK long since passed the '1.0' milestone by 95% of software standards. It is played by thousands of people around the world daily, and has been stable for quite some time.
My suggestion, move on from the legacy versioning. Take on a versioning scheme that represents the actual state of the game/development.
I would re-release the "legacy" version (the last version supporting all the assets on stkaddons.net) as version 1.0. This would give a clean cut off point for players that enjoy the old tracks/karts and want to continue on with that experience. It will continue to be played by people who don't have good computers (which is going to be a huge market for many years as developing countries tool up). It would also give a point at which a motivated person could release any bug fixes specific to the legacy version as 1.0.x as well as a version for which the kart/track contribution requirements are a substantially lower bar. I think this legacy version is probably more important than you guys might realise at this point.
The 0.8.2 version becomes 2.0beta with a view to a full 2.0 release once enough assets are updated. This represents the 'next generation' of STK, one that requires a better PC, one for which track/kart contribution standards are substantially higher.
I note that samuncle thinks that 2.0 should be 'multiplayer' but, since this is soley an improvement as opposed to a disruptive change, I think that (in our Major dot Minor dot Fix version scheme) represents a minor increment (even if it is a "major" feature).
hiker {l Wrote}:We have a long history of declaring that version 1.0 will be the polished networked version. So releasing version 1.0 (or 2.0) without networking could disappoint users.
Tiger {l Wrote}:Unfortunately, somebody will say "you can download the previous versions, bla, bla, bla..."
samuncle {l Wrote}:After speaking with Hiker in private, a good solution would be:
Rename 0.8.2 into 0.9 (+ explaining why we are doing that)
Reserve 1.0 for next gen tracks + network
And IMHO it's the best proposal.
Tiger {l Wrote}:
I totally agree with you, because I like a lot of the old tracks. I agree too, about the market for STK comprising people with no good computers (I could say, MOST pc owners around the world). Unfortunately, somebody will say "you can download the previous versions, bla, bla, bla..."
There was a request to shut down the old addons web site, but (at this stage) we are going to leave it up and running, so that people with 0.8.1 can keep on playing. Having 0.8.1 released as STK-classics would be a good idea
Arthur {l Wrote}: Just recently one of our previous GSoC students downloaded and played STK 0.3, and it still works fine. So what's the issue?
samuncle {l Wrote}:4) Rather than criticizing us ^^. Why not contributing for instance by adapting one of the older version to be able to read and play new tracks ? or by removing details in blender
charlie {l Wrote}: It will continue to be played by people who don't have good computers (which is going to be a huge market for many years as developing countries tool up).
vlj {l Wrote}:I don't know honestly where this idea come from but I think that in developing regions people have on average newer PC than in developed regions. Not necessarily faster or more powerful though, but newer and thus with GL 3/4 support.
vlj {l Wrote}:charlie {l Wrote}: It will continue to be played by people who don't have good computers (which is going to be a huge market for many years as developing countries tool up).
I don't know honestly where this idea come from but I think that in developing regions people have on average newer PC than in developed regions.
xeno74 {l Wrote}:FYI:
The Windows 2000 version of STK 0.8 has 2219 downloads. And the Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger version of STK 0.8 has 2176 downloads. And lastly the 0.8.1 version for old Linux distributions has 12438 downloads.
deve {l Wrote}:About something-like-STK-Classic... I have a repo https://github.com/deveee/supertuxkart-0.8.1-updates which contains bug fixes for 0.8.1 version. But rather without any feature updates. It is there just for my own use, but if someone is interested in maintaining old version, then some fixes are already ported.
Anon {l Wrote}:i3/i5 doesn't matter (much) as far as graphics go
deve {l Wrote}:About something-like-STK-Classic... I have a repo https://github.com/deveee/supertuxkart-0.8.1-updates which contains bug fixes for 0.8.1 version. But rather without any feature updates. It is there just for my own use, but if someone is interested in maintaining old version, then some fixes are already ported.
onpon4 {l Wrote}:Anon {l Wrote}:i3/i5 doesn't matter (much) as far as graphics go
That's not true. One important factor makes this detail matter: all modern Intel CPUs come with an Intel integrated GPU. Intel also has a habit of pairing more powerful integrated GPUs with more powerful CPUs.
And Intel integrated GPUs have quite a bad reputation, but they're actually perfectly decent. The integrated GPU that comes with my i3 processor seems to have no trouble handling Xonotic at its highest settings. The only reason I can't play Xonotic at its highest settings is the cooling system of my laptop can't keep up. To be fair, I don't know how expensive Xonotic is on the GPU, or how it compares to the beta of STK.
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